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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by pinglow, Mar 18, 2015.
Full size person on a CBR250R for 23,000 miles...48 mpg average.
I was out running errands in Tampa today, so I stopped by the Honda dealer. I managed to sit on a CRF250L and much to my surprise, it actually fit even with my 30 inch Humpty Dumpty inseam!!! I could get on AND off the bike without splitting my pants or rupturing a hammy and I was flatfooted in Sperry Topsiders. Now I weigh 270 pounds MOL and that is at least 100 pounds more than the suspension is set up for, but I figure that even with more manly springs and continued weight loss, it shouldn't get a whole lot taller. So, if they little rally bike comes in at the same height or close to it, I will be looking at it for sure.
I, when it goes on sale buy it for sure!
The link Justinope posted w/ the write-up by David Downes says it all; http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2016/march/honda-crf250-rally-prototype/
"It’s all about the terminology. This Honda CRF250 Rally was presented at the Tokyo show last year as a ‘concept bike’ which meant, officially, Honda wasn’t talking about this bike being a production bike at all. Even though we all knew it was going to be built in the very near future.
Now, Honda is officially calling this bike a ‘prototype for production’ which means Honda is vaguely talking about it going into production. Even though we know it will be on sale as a 2017 model later this year.
The ‘prototype for production’ sees the bike getting a revised front screen, LED headlight, altered side panels and a Termignoni exhaust system and is part of a huge push into the adventure bike market at all levels by Honda.
For those people calling the likes of the CRF1000L Africa Twin too bloated for real off-road adventure this new CRF250 Rally could well be the perfect mud plugger."
The guys at the dealership are fairly convinced that it will be a 300. They said that the 250L uses the CBR engine so the factory big bore would make sense
Good to hear & makes sense to me, esp considering KTM's 300cc adv entry they'd be judged against....think they'd just call it a CRF300Rally from the get go..
All rumor at this point. Who knows? It may end up being a 250 in some markets. We don't get the 200 Duke here. the big question is will Honda maybe give up a little tiny bit of its bulletproof reliability in order to be competitive in the HP race? We know that the KTM 390 puts out a hair over 40 hp in street trim. The 310cc BMW is rated at 35 hp. What I was not aware of is that the Kawasaki and Yamaha single street bikes have significantly more power than new CBR300. The do this by revving 2200-2500 RPMs faster. I am not saying that Honda should turn their CBR engine into an potential 11,000 RPM 42 hp grenade like the R3 for this application, but I think that the 35 hp of the BMW might be a reasonably target.
30hp please Honda!
Isn't the R3a twin? I know the Kawasaki Ninja 300 is a twin. Comparing power outputs and engine speeds of twins versus singles is very much like fruit comparisons.
Are there other street bikes from Yamaha and Kawasaki that are singles?
I don't know about a single cylinder Yamaha street bike, but obviously there's the 250 from the WR250R that's pretty solid and Kawasaki has a street 250 single they sell elsewhere called the Ninja 250 SL (also, here) - which seems alright?
I think its pretty obvious Honda 250 could have at least 26hp it makes in cbr stock, they said in some interview they lowered hp so they can play with torque curve and that engine ends up being even more reliable in CRFL. If they'd lower service interval obviously power can go up.
[Quote = "jdm61, de la publicación: 29332208, miembro de: 363271"] Los chicos en el concesionario son bastante convencido de que será un 300. Me dijeron que el 250L utiliza el motor de CBR por lo que el agujero grande de la fábrica tendría sentido [/ quote ]
¿Estás seguro? ¿De donde eres?
yes and the BMW and KTM engines are singles. However, it is informative to know what the competiton is doing. even if they are dong something different. There does appear to be a little bit of a mini horsepower war going on in that 300 cc street bike segment and even Honda was forced to join in, albeit in their typical conservative manner. The problem that Honda has is that they don't have a small twin that will fit into that frame. What might rb interesting is if they went the CCM route and put in a detuned version of the 450 MX engine, perhaps somewhere in the 45 hp range. and improved the front forks and added fuel. If they could get that in for say $7500, they might have a winner.
Got it! Thanks for clarifying.
I was thinking there is a lot of difference between a 40hp twin and a 40hp single of the same size.
Absolutely, The KTM has 30% more displacement than say th Kawasaki at about the same output. The little BMW seems to be the most tightly wound of the non-racing singles so far.
Here is graphs from motorcycle.com that I overlaid.
The reason cbr250r is more than Crf250l is because it has +2mm larger throttle body and slightly larger head pipe.
I would hope they stick the 300 motor in there for North America. That 6 hp would make a huge difference on a bike this size. Almost 30% stronger.
If you look at what people are saying about the Zongshen/CSC RX3, which by all accounts has a fairly honest 25 horsepower, you see that a bike like this can be very useful. In the case of the Honda, if they got it closer to 30 with the 300 engine, you would have a HONDA that had a few more HP than the RX3, more suspension travel and a dead simple, uber reliable constitution. Yes, we may say that the 250L is not a REAL focused offroad tool, but it strikes me as being a bit more focused than some other bikes including the Zongshen and yet we see where guys are taking those little beasties. I would think that the extra horsepower would serve as much to make the Honda a little less anxiety producing on the big cement highway as it would to up the Viagra factor in the dirt.
Earthquake, not gonna happen. Maybe late 2017 as a 2018 model.
I have just finished my Thunderstroke 286 Rally. I installed the honda parts and a Fmf Q4. This is about a 30 hp motor and transformed the bike. Stage 2 was the suspension. An Ohlins shock and Race Tech forks. I built a small fairing with an X headlight and small windshield. It is about 12 LBS lighter than stock l should be able to lose a few lbs with further mods. It is a great little d.s. The power can still override the suspension.
Sounds pretty slick. We need pics!!!!! Were you able to retain the reasonable seat height with the suspension mods?