My 19yo kid and I just did a 1000 mi weekend. I was on the FXD and he on my K100rs. He said he never heard the Beemer motor all weekend! and I got mufflers on the HD. All he heard was my turd and had to fly by instruments. He's been drooling at my bike all along, but after we switched for a bit, he was happy to get back on the Beemer. Smart kid. I should learn something here. The weekend ride took us thru Daytona where we stopped for few hrs to visit with friends from up-North. He got a full taste of Daytona Douchebaggery. Something every young lad should experience once. Did I say I hate bikers?