How doable is 2-up to Copper Canyon On 12GS

Discussion in 'Americas' started by ADVMindset, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. ADVMindset

    ADVMindset Americana Adventurer

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    Considering going to Copper Canyon with a 12GS.....How doable is it riding 2-up? Best time/times of the year to go ? :ear
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  2. Cycletroll

    Cycletroll Catastrophe Specialist

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    Totally doable two-up! The roads around Creel are better than many US roads. The road down into Batopilas is generally pretty well maintained. Going in March can be nice and dry (may still snow up on the rim at ~7k feet). The fall after the end of the wet season is nice because everything is green. Too hot in the summer, too snowy in the winter.
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  3. Roadslayer

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    Two up to Copper Canyon is totally doable. The paved roads there,all around and back are sportbike riding at it's finest. Being a little old man I cannot imagine riding a big GS with someone on the back to Botapilas. My '88 Honda 650 was all I could handle. However, if you're a big boy with a gutsy gal on the back you 'should' have no problem.:lol3 Have fun and stay at 'Las Margaritas' in Creel and the old hotel at the very end of town in Botapilas.

    'Cheers' Roadslayer
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  4. Big Single

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    I did the Creel to Baltopilas route with my 15 yr old 180 lb nephew, who happens to be autistic. There were a couple of tense moments when I found it necessary to stop on a grade, (heading up hill,) and the tourances wouldn't hold in the gravel. Never did drop it, but came close one or two times. It wasn't easy but it was very doable.
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  5. Uncle Pollo

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    The biggest problem would be incoming traffic.

    Just stay on your side of the road and be cautious.
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  6. thetourist

    thetourist Just passing thru

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    Nowhere to run. This is the top of the hill and about as rough as it gets.

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    the big hill. No guardrails but really not too steep either. A bit intimidating for flatlander types.

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    Most of the road is like this. Smooth gravel, no guard rails. It looks a bit skinny in the distance but is wide enough for passing and meeting cars. There is usually plenty of warning. I only met 2 rigs going in and out. It is just rugged enough.

    The mission road out of the other end of Bato was much rougher (lots of 8-12 inch fill rock) when I went thru 18 mo ago.



    Edit: thought I should qualify this by saying this is similar to a lot of what I ride so it wasn't quite the "thrill" that some think it is. I really liked Bato. A colorful rugged town. I'll return someday,if possible.
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  7. Big Single

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    The hardest part isn't the serpentine you seen the photo above, it's south of the river. The road gets narrower and there are blind curves where you could potentially be forced out near the edge while traveling towards Baltopilas. The road goes up and down the hills on the south bank of the river.

    With that said, it's still not all that difficult. Some traffic hauls ass but no one will intentionally force you off the road. You should do it, it's a great trip you'll never forget. One world class motorcycle adventurer thought the trip was a big yawn. For mere humans like myself, it was first class adventure.
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  8. Powershouse

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    Another option is to enjoy the local paved roads two-up, and let your pillion take the bus into Batopilas.

    Watch out for four legged traffic as well. You'll find goats, burros, etc. in the road when you come around bends.
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  9. Lone Rider

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    Yeah, those are the tightest parts.

    What Don typed is right. If you can't see ahead, be on the right side. If you need to stop - for whatever reasons - you want to make the decision as to where you stop, not because you felt nudged into some small rubble while 2-up and possibly inseam challenged.

    A very cool ride.
    I'll advise watching out for drunks.
    Cows, burros and goats, too. :D
    Take your time and take lots of pics.
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  10. Big Single

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    I remember stopping to let a truck pass on a narrow ass section of road between Mesa De Arturo and Tubares. We were on the inside. The left end of my handlebar was pressed against the rock wall and the right end of my bar was rubbing on the bed of the truck. That could not have happened on the outside. (No, it doesnt' get that narrow on the road to Baltopilas.)
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  11. Throttlemeister

    Throttlemeister Long timer Super Supporter

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    Just got back from the area and I didn't have a problem other than mud at the top from the road construction around La Bufa on the way down to Batopilas. Apparently they are working on paving a section going down that way to one of the smaller towns. D9s have been wrecking and widening up the road and its a mudbath when I was going down, dried out considerbly on way back up and around. I rode a loaded 1150GSA, probably 2up little girl heavy, and tried to get out the south end to Tubares and didn't have any luck getting over to El Rodeo. I had to go back up and around to the bridge to get to Tubares. I came from the East and hit quite a bit of snow from 6500' and up at a pass near San Jaunito (sp?) going south to Creel and then only rain and cool temps from there on to the coast. +1 for Margaritas in Creel, near the train station. 100 peso for bunk with dinner and breakfast or 200 p for private room with your own wall heater, my choice. Just take it easy and watch the curves, I liked the TKCs too. And always talk to the 3 Amigos for first hand road info for the CC area, Two of the three speak excellent english.
    Still trying to start my Trip report and learn how to upload pictures here.
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  12. Tury

    Tury Been here awhile

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    :clap Can be done, I´ve seen several on 1200 GS, 950´s KTM, African Twins, 1150 GS.

    Best time; October, the autumn colors, still green no cold yet, no dust, creeks pasable.

    Two mining towns to visit: URIQUE, to my personal taste the best sights, than the swicth-backs of Batopilas, and BATOPILAS, only be careful when crossing the 2 bridges just before LA BUFA, it is safer by the middle specially the second, it has no side rails, just be sure that the wooden floor is complete.

    If you have the time, go to both towns.

    The paved roads as your country folks say, they are in very good condition and as well have impresive sights.

    While at Creel, take the ride to Guachochi ( south 156 kms) and go to the sight spot of the Sinforosa ( 21 kms of gravel- a high plateau), this ride can be done forth and back the same day. The sinforosa canyon is the queen of the Chihuahua Canyons.:freaky
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  13. rpilottx

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    On my first trip to Creel in 2005, I met a couple going around the world on a VStrom 1000. They had just returned from the bottom of the canyon and seemed to think it was very doable.

    It is 61 km from pavement to Batophilas. If you are comfortable two up on other dirt/gravel roads then you should be ok. Good luck.
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  14. Tury

    Tury Been here awhile

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    :deal Once you decide the month-date to ride to LA SIERRA I can give you first hand information of the actual paved roads, dirt, river crossings and the selection of hotels I´ll let riders from your country have them tell their experiences, since I´ve been in many through out the years:clap
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  15. ADVMindset

    ADVMindset Americana Adventurer

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    Thanks Everyone for the comments and suggestions...:D

    We're thinking about going in the fall, Love the fall colors of Colorado, Mexicos' gotta be pretty cool too !

    Will try to allow 5-6 days to explore the area once We get there.


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