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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Dozer720, Aug 13, 2015.
Ah i see, hope they can fix one before first service then.
Are you guys referring to the actual service manual vs the owners manual ? I ordered the service manual and it was a cd rom when it came in. which is fine as I can download it to a thumbdrive and take it with me. the owners manual came with bike at time if purchase . it was in that really nice looking zip up folder.
I have no owners manual which is where the service record is. A workshop manual, I have one for the 16 but not seen a 17 one yet.
I meant the one you get with cars for example, a booklet you write all your services in. The owners manual i got, even 2. One in swedish and one in english, but the manual says like this:
"Make the service enctry in the Husqvarna Motorcycles Dealer.net and in the Service and warranty book-let"
Actually, I was going to change them to white when my 17 comes in but someone beat me to it!
I want turn mine all white with black parts.
Planning on vinyl wrapping because the stickers are melted into the plastic on the 17s.
This seems unlikely (that the Huskies have more output,
the stuff in BOLD above)
Not calling BS or anything - just I was very interested as
I spent a bunch of time trying to get a higher output
stator for the 690 - and none of the aftermarket
electrical guys would do one - said it was already wound
very tightly, and no extra room
2014-2017 KTM 690 E all use the same stator
as the 16-17 Husky 701 (P/N: 750390004100)
The 13-16 KTM 690 Owners manuals list the alternator
output as 224 W - the same output for the older KTM
690 stator (P/N: 750390004000 - used pre 2014) AND
the same for the newer P/N: 750390004100 used
on the 16 & 17 701...
Did not check the Husky manuals, but not sure how
they would get the extra output from the same stator...
When you measured the steering sweep of 82 degrees,
what offset did you have on your triple clamps (I assume
the 701 is still the same 30/32 mm on the triples) ?
The 12 & 13 690's (which had the better turn radius) had
80 degrees (30 mm offset) and 82 degrees (32 mm offset)
while it was the pre 2012 690's with the really poor turn
radius as they had the 24 mm offset triples
Last question - was contact between the fork tube and
the frame the limiting factor, or was it the cabling that
limited the turning ?
Well, it does seem like the Husky specs have 76 watts of BS. I confirmed the stator is identical between the KTM and Husky as you described, rotor is the same as well. Maybe Husky specs it at higher RPM than KTM? That's the only think I can think of.
Nice job digging into the details.
Reading this makes me think of Tevye the dairyman - Tradition! The steering lock on KTM's LC4s have sucked, royally or otherwise, since 1995. Over 20 years of tradition. Use your right hand to turn a deficiency into something that feels good.
Slowly but surely adding the farkles. HDB handguards, Flatland skidplate, Wolfman tank bag. The last photo is my kryptonite right now. Nice thick sheet of ice under that snow.
I got the 2017 paper owners manual so they did have them at that time.
I didn't measure the offset so I have no idea what it is. You're talking about 30/32mm off set? What do you mean by two figures? Did they change the offset from 30 to 32 mm between the 12 & 13 KTM's? I don't understand what you mean.
I adjusted those bolts but left a bit of margin. On the left side it there's no cable to interfere on the right there are cables. However, the fork sort of presses against the wiring loom protective sleeve and pushes it into an opening in the frame. I did zip lock the hydraulic lines slightly upwards so they can't pinch between frame and forks. But to make a long story short. I can still get more angle out of it. I may try that at a later date.
Nice additions. Did you have a easy time installing the HDB into the stock handlebars (tapping and screwing them in)? And did you consider the display mount from HDB that moves that stock display to just above the top clamp?
I am a machinist by trade so it was fairly easy. it would be easy for anyone. They provide a brand new tap with the kit. Yeah I brain farted and forgot to order the new dash. I will order it this week.
Not when I got mine, I was 4 days before you
All good - my ears perked up when I heard higher output !!
Ha - you are probably correct - if you hit the red line
and hold it here on the new 701, you may get the extra
76 W out of the extra 1,000 rpm on the new engine !
My apologies - did not explain myself sufficiently... :)
The offset I was referring to is the offset on the triple
clamps - see the attached smaller image of a 13 690's
top triple clamp. If you pull the steering stem nut on
the 701, you should see two numbers - and the steering
stem can be rotated to change the offset (see the small
dimple in the small image - which is set to 32 mm)
By increasing the offset on the triple clamp (setting it
to the larger number), you make the lever arm on the
forks longer (effectively pushing the forks away from
the steering stem)
By using the longer offset, you increase the amount of
steering sweep, as the forks are further away from the
steering stem, therefore they can rotate further before
they hit the frame (or in your case the wire looms, or
cables, hoses, etc)
I also included an image that shows how this works,
for a couple of combinations of triple clamp offset for
Essentially you get a smaller turning radius if you use
more offset (but like everything else there are compromises
and limits - see below)
I had a quick look at the 701 triple P/N's, and the offset
on the 701 triple clamps is 22 and 24 mm - so looks like
Husky went back to the "dirt" forks which have the 36 mm
offset at the axle - same as the older 690's (pre 2012) had
I guess the changes to the frame on the 701 allow for
the same steering sweep as the 12/13 690's (which were
the best of the 690's for turning - actually the 14+ 690's
also had the longer triple offset as well), but allow for that with
the 36 mm axle offset (in theory it is better to have most
of the total fork offset at the the axle, rather than the triple,
at least for stability, rather than steering sweep). All the
"dirt" bikes use the 36 mm axle offset forks
For information: Total offset of the axle from the steering
Triple offset + Axle Offset = Total Offset
For the 701 that is: 22/24 + 36 = 58/60 mm
For the 12+ 690 that is: 30/32 + 26 mm = 56/58 mm
For the Pre 12 690's that is: 22/24 + 36 = 58/60 mm
Question still remains - what offset it was your triple
set at when you measured the steering sweep ?
You are on the right track to get better steering radius
by re-arranging the cabling, hoses, wiring etc so that
you can turn the triples further - and it does make a
big difference !
Sorry long post - complex subject... :)
If the numbers are real and output is +76w, could be a heavier magnet in the rotor, are those PN's the same, Munn doesn't have the new 701 parts fiche up yet. Otherwise I'd lean towards a typo.
^^ looks like the rotor and the stator are
both the same PN...
By the way guys , you can download the PCV map online. It includes the evo 1 air filter mod + wings exhaust without baffle(this is okay for me but I got Remus). or a 2nd map with stock everything but tuned.(probably better than nothing).