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Discussion in 'Canada' started by Duster929, Oct 3, 2007.
Good to see the greedhead pig-fuckers at BMWNA circumvented.
A little off topic, but would to hear if anyone has done the opposite: export a bike from Canada to the US. Looking at riding something i found home via Ontario or Quebec.
I am in the process of finalizing a sale my 2006 R1150 GSA to US buyers and I am in Canada. However, my bike is a BMW imported into the US originally and is still has an Arizona title, and a valid Arizona License Plate, so bringing it back I just advise US Customs and Border Patrol that it is my vehicle and I am bringing it back to the US.
If the bike is Titled and plated in Canada, and depending if it is newer than 15 years old. Have your buyer get a hold of the manufactures office and have them provide him a Letter of Conformance stating that the bike meets US EPA standards and also US DOT Standards, also make sure the Compliance Labels are on the Bike and then go on to US DOT website and print off the HS-7 Declaration form and check off box 2A if you get that Letter of Conformance stating that it meets the requirements and fill out the rest of the Form and present it to US Customs. Also, I would check with US Customs at the Port of Entry where you will be bringing the bike across.
Thanks, I've heard the same from a few sources. Bike (Husqvarna 701) was identical to the US version and has the DOT/EPA stamps on the frame. BUT, the owner doesn't have the original muffler. Considering how US law enforcement has zero clue what a legal muffler is, i'm not too worried.
But i did try calling KTM North America once about getting such a letter for a 2010 SMR, but never heard back. Guess I'll try again.
In 2005 I imported a bike from Ohio to Ontario. It was well over 15 years old, I went and picked it up myself, followed the rules and had no troubles bringing it home.
I'm now looking at a few possible purchases and as far as I know, not much has changed. Again, old bikes.
Make sure the serial number/manufacture's plate is clearly visible showing the country of origin. Have the seller fax the bill of sale and title to the border crossing 72 hours in advance etc.
Problem is the bikes are too far away for me to go and pick up myself. One on my list of possibles is in Houston Texas. (I'm in northern Ontario)
Anyone have an idea what is involved (if I can get it shipped) as far as the border is concerned? Does a broker handle the export and import requirements? Costs?
thanks for any information.
I used Uship a few years back to have a bike transported from Dallas to the Niagara area of NY. Very reasonable price and excellent customer service with updates along the way.
Used Uship again this past winter to move a bike from Minneapolis to Michigan. What I learned is that either shipping rates have increased dramatically or not a lot of shipping happens between Minneapolis and Michigan.
See my post two replies back.
Thanks. I think I understand whats required to bring an old (about 40 year old) bike back myself but what I have no idea about is --- if I want to have it shipped, how does the border get dealt with? Are there shippers that will do the paperwork required or is this what brokers do?
At this time I have no deal pending but I'm looking for a particular bike and see a few for sale in the U.S., none ever turn up in Canada. So I'm wondering if shipping is feasible or will the logistics and cost make it unreasonable?
I think since it is over 15 years old you do not have to go through the RIV process. However I still think you have to got through US Export System and Canadian Importation. You still have to get an ITN and have a Broker fill out the AES paper work for you the US Portion, and in the end whoever you can to transport the bike to Canada, however the price for transport seems quite high, of course its all the way form Houston to Northern, Ontario.
Here's the Question.
I have agreed to buy a 2002 KTM 200 EXC-F that was originally purchased in the US, imported but never underwent RIV Inspection. It is Off Road Plated. I don't really care that it's not street plated...but that possibility would make SWMBO much happier knowing that the number of Motorcycles is growing and I have to continually justify their existence.
Is there a possibility of having the RIV Inspection done or a way to get a street plate for said machine IF conditions are met?
I've been told by armchair dirtbikers that I'm foolish. What say the rest of you FFs?
Since it is a 2002 what is the month build date, since we are almost half way through 2017, it may qualify under the 15 year old limit where RIV does not apply anymore? If so, I guess you'll have to get an out of Province Inspection since you want to get it registered and see if it passes. Thats the only thing I can think of.
You're looking at 2 different concerns. One of which is importing the bike and the 2nd, trying to register it.
With the bike at the 15 yr mark, ( about 60% chance of that right now and it'll increase to 100% by Dec ) the RIV process doesn't come into play. So in that regard you're golden and don't need to do anything. No RIV fee, no Canadian Tire visit.
Registering the bike for street use could be an issue. I street plated a couple DRZe models yrs ago when the VIN and DMV weren't as concerned. They scrutinize it more now and the VIN may show up as an off-road bike.
I would take whatever State registration you have and head down to Access NS and give it a shot. If you're porking the girl on the other side of the desk, it may increase your chances of getting this to work. Worst they'll tell you is you can't register it.
Well, importation went well. US-DOT stamps on the frame is all that was needed, no need for a Letter of Conformance (and KTM NA said they wouldn't issue one anyway ;-( ) US Customs in Lake Champlain is HUGE, probably would have been easier at a smaller location. Agent tried to be a bit intimidating with a million questions, but in the end, he was pretty cool. They actually gave me a binder w/instructions for the declaration paperwork.
Had to get in line with tractor trailers, and all the booths are 10 feet in the air. Last agent looked down and laughed; said he never say a motorcycle come through his station for an exit stamp. Wish I had a photo.
Two things that were tough:
Quebec Temp registration: Lady at the SAAC (DMV) had no clue what were asked for and spoke no English. Had to show her the web page, and still took a few hours to get. Lesson one, make good friends with a French-Canadian, especially one from ADVRider ;-)
NJ Title: I thought i could get this from the DMV in jersey City, Nope, had to mail EVERYTHING into Trenton, can't do in person, took 3 weeks. Had to follow up with a check for taxes, and then a few days later, I get a title in my name
Can't make a right on red in Montreal. That would have SOOOO been needed!!! Small bikes are nice in that city; much easier to get around!
I went through the same thing when I moved from Canada to DC. KTMs have labels for EPA and fmvss in addition to the Canadian labels for environment Canada and cmvss. The fuckers at KTM were completely unhelpful and never pointed out the bikes had both labels. I just noticed them by happenstance when I was cleaning the bike up before putting it in the moving truck. Since those labels are on it, no need for any letters.
My BMW GSWC on the other hand is a huge ordeal. BMW Canada and USA were unwilling to give a letter. I was able to temporarily import since I'm here on a temp basis but man, what a bunch of BS. Makes you wonder what would happen if you fired up a word processor and write a letter yourself.
I think the reason why they don't do letters is legal liability and/or threats to their domestic dealership. Dealers would get pissed if people were crossing the border to get a discount, and the factory was helping them.
It has nothing to do with legality, your right it is the pressure BMW North America puts on the US BMW dealers due to the whining of some of the BMW Dealers in the larger markets. They don't want the competition. BMW and Mercedes do this with their cars also. Where AUDI doesn't.
The local BMW bike dealer will give you a "recall letter" however they will charge you a of $500.00 to $750.00 for the pleasure of dealing with them and they will take their sweet time doing it. And they will tell you have to "Canadaianize" the bike and only they can do it, another crock.
Again in a previous post I mentioned that if you are buying a used BMW Bike from a private seller, make it a condition that he the seller gets you a "recall letter" from the Service Dept. at his BMW Dealer. Some are reluctant to give him the recall letter with the excuse BMW NA doesn't allow the dealer to provide him the letter/notice. I have advised the owner to tell the dealership that he owns the bike not the dealer and he wants the letter/notice. If they try and tell you they have to get BMW to mail it to them they are full of shit as they can simply "print from the screen"
The ironic thing is there are dealers on the East Coast and they will provide you whatever paperwork you want or need.
Also bear in mind the "recall letter" or as it is referred to VEHICLE INQUIRY REPORT has to be on BMW NA stationary.
Can someone point me to any discussion of importing a NEW bike?
I assume if I buy from a state with no sales tax that I can save that tax. Dealer would issue me a new title, I'd have to wait for that. Wouldn't need a license from that state though.
72 hrs to deliver title & bill of sale to the US side of the border. Recall clearance to add for the Cdn side. Do I need an ITN # for a NEW bike?
You won't save the taxes... You'll pay some of the tax at the border and the rest during registering.
Oh yeah, I know I'll pay the GST/PST at the border - but hope to avoid the "pay state sales tax and get it refunded later" runaround.
There is a few changes to importin vehicles fro US to Canada. You do not fax your documents to the US Border 72 hours prior to your arrival. It has to be scanned and emailed, the process is called AES. This can be done for you by a broker and cost US$50.00. Regarding the ITN, the broker will send you an AES document in the document it asks for an ITN, you simply fill in that line with your passport number. I used A. D. Rutherford, Becky Vagle, 701-825-6290, in Pembina, North Dakota. They have done a few bikes for me.