Is ATGATT overrated?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by blk-betty, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades... Super Supporter

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    Just buy one good piece a year. One year it was a neck brace, $150 not bad, but not cheap, next year a pair of like new used AlpineStar Tech6 boots for another $150 off ebay, a couple years later a new decent Joe Rocket Hybrid dual sport helmet to take the place of the MX helmet when mainly road riding. Last year a new Bell MX9 dual sport for around $170, this year a Bell Star DLX to go with the street bike, $375. Not sure what's next, maybe a new coat, looking at what is on cut out whenever I stop in at Iron Pony. Can't really do it all at once, but doable over time. I like digging to get good prices on good equipment.
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  2. davenowherejones

    davenowherejones short old guy

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    I won't live long enough buying one piece a year.
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  3. MC_Collector

    MC_Collector Retired and riding!

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    Risk avoidance! If you can, stay away from traffic.
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  4. Peanut_Buttery

    Peanut_Buttery Been here awhile

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    It’s even worse: after ABS was introduced, the accident rate increased. Many people felt safer with an ABS-equipped car and, unconsciously, drove closer to the vehicle in front. It resulted in a higher accident rate.

    (Incidentally, ABS doesn’t reduce stopping distance.)
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    One of the first things I realized when riding is that I have absolutely ZERO control over what anyone does - the only options and decisions that are available to me are ones about myself.

    So I don't get on my bike without my helmet (Schuberth E1), gloves, armored jacket (a Revit of some description) and pants (either riding jeans or Revit Sands), and proper boots (Sidi Canyons). I have a five year old daughter, and I refuse to rob her of a father because something happened after I decided I couldn't be bothered to gear up, or that it was too warm for a jacket.

    If I don't have the time to gear up properly, or feel its the wrong conditions, I'll just drive.

    To each their own, though.
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  6. Vertical C

    Vertical C Long timer

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    Most motorcycle crashes are single vehicle
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  7. davenowherejones

    davenowherejones short old guy

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    From not looking where you are going.

    Put that cellphone in your backpack!
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    AZbiker Crunkin' with crackers

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    I've never heard that body part called a backpack before, that's pretty original.
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  9. Bill Lumberg

    Bill Lumberg Been here awhile

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    I own a lot of nice gear. I usually ride in full gear. But if it’s really warm, I sometimes go the store in nothing more than street clothes and a helmet. I always wear a helmet.
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  10. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades... Super Supporter

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    Reminds me of the interview with the 80something old guy and his wife who still drive, never had a crash. Reporter asks how they did it. The old guy says "We never turn left." Think about it, they will work their way around to end up where they want to be only turning right. Remember, two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do. Go around the block to cross over straight and end up turning right to where they want to go.

    I used a similar kind of reasoning when instructing my daughters on driving a standard shift - avoid two way stops, try to go to intersections with traffic lights or 4 way stops. If you stall there it usually isn't a big deal.
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  11. Clem Fandango

    Clem Fandango Been here awhile

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    I wear all the stuff. Recently added an airbag vest. But my most important piece of safety gear is the assumption that every car I see is trying to kill me. So far it's worked flawlessly - 30 years accident free.
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    The worst piece of gear that you own, is the piece that’s in the closet if you go down.
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    That could be a lot of layers, just say’en. So what goes on top textile or leathers?
    :hide
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    davenowherejones short old guy

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    My pink tutu in the closet does not offer much protection.
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    Travman Long timer Supporter

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    OK so not in a literal sense of wearing everything. More of, if you're running to the store a few miles away with just a t-shirt on and leaving the jacket in the closet. The one I love in a certain southern state is the guy riding with his helmet strapped to the rear.
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    I saw that dude the other day in Tejas, just the other day.
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    DCrider Live from THE Hill

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    Overrated? It sure may be if you can predict the outcome of with and without ATGATT for every accident that you may or may not have in your riding career.
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  18. ADV Phil

    ADV Phil Boats & Hoes Supporter

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    Just my experience with gear.

    If you buy cheap shit that doesn't fit well, protect well, isn't comfortable...you'll prob hate it and be less inclined to wear it. Back in the day when I wore cheap HJC helmets and Joe Rocket gear that didn't fit well I was like meh. FF and you toss in some Arai, Dainese, Klim et all and it's truly not that bad.

    The other consideration is weather and climate. If it's hot as balls, I'm not riding. Cold as shit, I'm not riding. FWIW.

    I've gone down many times, a few times at high speeds on the track and once that required an ambulance ride and MRI etc. If not for my helmet and gear I'd be dead. Do what you want.
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  19. Peanut_Buttery

    Peanut_Buttery Been here awhile

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    Doesn't it protect you from unwanted advances? :D
  20. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades... Super Supporter

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    Love the way some talk down the largest helmet motorcycle helmet manufacturer in the world, making helmets that racers around the world do wear. As has been proven, even the "cheap" helmets work well - if they fit well. As you pointed out in the start, "doesn't fit well", is an important factor. Price does not always play a part in there. Right now Bell and HJC make both inexpensive and top shelf expensive helmets, at one time Shoei did as well. I would guarantee you their lowest line helmet has protection properties on par with their highest level. They don't "dumb down" the technology in protection, otherwise they would be laying themselves open to serious lawsuits by knowingly building what can be perceived as a less protective helmet. They won't do that. It is the features and materials that may play some part, but the actual protective value is still there.

    I say this not to be picky, but because a new rider or one with limited money to spend should know that $100-200 Bell, HJC, AFX, Vega helmet can provide protection if it is a good fit. Plus with some shrewd shopping they may find a good price. I picked up my Bell MX-9 adventure for about $50 off and I picked up a Bell Star for