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Is older Africa CRF1000 built better than CRF1100? Let's bust the myth together or find the truth.

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by hammerun, Jul 24, 2020.

  1. hammerun

    hammerun Secret Eleventh Commandment - never fear.

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    Do you know images of which "cheap shitty welded from 5 parts" swing-arm I attached? 2020 Ricky Brabec Honda :-D So you are absolutely right. upload_2020-7-26_23-54-2.png [​IMG]
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  2. neanderthal

    neanderthal globeriding wannabe

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    Ok. Fair point. But which manufacturer isn't making their bikes as cheaply as possible to maximise profit?


    Your bike was an anomaly. Real bad run of luck you had with it.
    All three that i've had have been problem free. The first one stalled 3- 5 times i think, the second one once, but that's it. Over 80k miles of otherwise problem free riding.
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  3. roktbox

    roktbox Been here awhile

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    Wait ....... now the brakes on the AT suck, too? The whole system? Under what conditions? The components? Which one(s)? How?
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  4. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

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    20200729_184033.jpg I do notice the new bikes have less pretty welds than my 16 but have seen worse on older jap bikes.Will just keep hammering on mine for years to come.Except for some fork issues has been a good all around bike.Wifey and me had a great day on it yesterday visiting lake superior. Wife loves the bike as it fits us so well.
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  5. Fiftyfatponies

    Fiftyfatponies Been here awhile

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    I have a -99 transalp, the welds on that bike look like a 5 year old went to visit dad at work, but dad was drunk on the job and the 5 year old had to do the welds. Tragic yes, but it's still holding up. Not bad for a first try kiddo.
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  6. DirtyRoadie

    DirtyRoadie Long timer

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    I had a '98 VTR1000F Superhawk ( Gosh I loved that bike). The welds on the frame looked excellent, classic "stack o dimes" wherever there was a weld. The welds on the swing arm were another story altogether. If a junior high school kid in shop class had made those welds he would have failed the class, but as Fiftyfatponies said it held up fine.
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  7. AT Rick

    AT Rick wanderlust is a thing

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    My 2017 dct has 22k on the clock and has run like a top since day 1. Fantastic reliability\dependability.
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  8. twinrider

    twinrider Pass the catnip

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    You guys are lucky, mine was a POS and Honda Japan told me to fuck off when I said I wanted the motor replaced to fix the intermittent stalling after putting up with it and lots of dealer attempts to solve the issue. HJ even told me stalling was a characteristic of a big twin. No lemon law here.


    JimsVFR800.JPG

    My '99 VFR800 was flawless for the 3 years that I owned it. Build quality was far better than my AT, from the stainless steel fasteners to the tight tolerances of the plastics and the fit and finish in general. No nickle and diming on the center stand either. This is the bike with 45000 km on it. Still looked new.
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  9. Ian-NH

    Ian-NH Adventurer

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    With all the problems that plagued the first few years of these bikes I'm shocked to hear you guys say that generation was actually the good one. There's a 280+ page "Africa Twin Problem Thread" for a reason.

    I've been considering another ADV bike now that I'm officially bored with my Harley, but it won't be another AT.
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  10. hammerun

    hammerun Secret Eleventh Commandment - never fear.

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    That's funny
    I'd plenty problems with my wife during 17 years of marriage, but she is simply the best, better than all the rest.
    Isn't same possible with Africa Twin :-) Ah?
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  11. radbrad511

    radbrad511 Incurable

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    Not sure ANY truth was found here. Like my 2017 a lot.
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  12. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    Some of the materials, products and techniques used in the process for stainles steel, chrome parts, paintings, etc, have changed since the time you bought your VFR because of enviroment protection laws. However, even if the final product doesn't look exactly the same, it's still really good quality and does the job more than anybody will ever need.

    I had a 92' VFR750F which I sold in 1995 with 60000km. Somebody smashed it in 2005 with almost 400,000km. I still love that bike.
    Aluminum frame, single sided swingarm, 90º V engine, gear driven camshafts. By that time, you could say "It's a honda" with a smile in your face.
    We will never see bikes like that again.
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  13. twinrider

    twinrider Pass the catnip

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    My VFR800 was awesome. Nothing beats the sound of that V4 through a full Erion Racing exhaust. If I didn't have such bad knees I would have kept it.
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  14. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

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    For me, it was not only the sound of those machines. It was about the philosophy of the way they were built. They used all the technology available to make the engine perform better, to save time and money on maintenance (gear driven camshafts), etc. And mostly, to make the customer enjoy every second spent on the bike.
    The feeling of my VFR was amazing. I always liked honda because everytime I hopped on one, everything felt as if I had been riding that bike my whole life. Pedals, levers, buttons, everything was where it should be. Throttle, brakes and suspension, everything permormed exactly the way you'd expect it to.
    The honda engines have never been the most energetic thing out there, the suspensions have mostly been soft on all of them and the brakes have always been more effective than powerful. But everything worked, and it worked great!
    I'm seriusly socked that modern bikes, specifically the one we're talking about here, feel like half developed prototypes.
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