Kayak Hack?

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by toolhorder, Sep 7, 2010.

  1. toolhorder

    toolhorder Been here awhile

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    I've had this vision in my head for a year or so and I've found a couple of dead links and a photo or two in my searches for any info.

    I want to mount my 12' kayak to a sidecar frame, ride it from here to the pacific in the summer of 2012 and hit as many lakes as I can, visit relatives, then turn around and head home. I want to kayak in the summer AND ride. Trying to tie the two together.

    I see some sort of Sidecar "TAT-ish" thing in my future, only with a pseudo-planned route with lakes as daily or semi-daily destinations and half days spent paddling around the lake.

    I have no sidecar experience whatsoever.....yet. I have wanted one for many years and I'm thinking this could be a project for next winter. I may either mount it to my KLR or buy a different bike for a tug, maybe another KLR.

    But, since I have no sidecar experience, I have to ask, is a 12' boat shaped tub the worst idea ever?

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  2. DirtyDR

    DirtyDR Dana Supporter

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    There is a Kayak trailer that's at Paonia all of the time so I don't know why you couldn't do a sidecar except that it might be too long to function correctly.

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  3. KHJPHOTO

    KHJPHOTO Old Man and the Road

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  5. toolhorder

    toolhorder Been here awhile

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    My problem exactly. The kayak-Sidecar demographic isn't highly represented anywhere and maybe those who've tried it or thought about it discovered some sort of issue that I don't know about. Based on my zero experience, I think it's a freaking awesome idea.

    The issues that I can think of are mysterious handling characteristics and a larger than normal turning radius/clear path so as not to knock the nose off the boat.

    Or, maybe I'm an idiot. I don't ever rule that variable out, given past.......ehem........experiences.
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  6. toolhorder

    toolhorder Been here awhile

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    Pretty much what I had in mind. Just use what I already have on the Subaru. The distance between crossbars is only about 30" on the car. (This is the best photo I have of the crossbars and saddles.)

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    When I get home, take off the boat stuff and bolt down a normal tub. It sounds so simple, "like the jitterbug it plum evaded me".

    My particular boat is 12' long and has front and rear dry hatches. Most likely won't use those for anything but very lightweight items and keep the weight more to the center. I thought I could use the passenger compartment of the kayak to store much of my camping gear in order to weight the sidecar some. I have a hatch cover that I already cover the passenger compartment with for travel, which would keep everything dry and still easy to get to.

    I'm not 100% convinced this is the smartest thing I've ever invested time in, but it's far and away smarter than many things I've invested time in.

    Plus I quit smoking, went on a diet and quit eating red meat about 6 weeks ago.........I have a bit of nervous energy to expell without going to smoke, opening the fridge or grilling some sort of encased meat.
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  7. twintwin

    twintwin Been here awhile Supporter

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    Pictures taken in 06 during the national BMW MOA rally in VT.
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  8. toolhorder

    toolhorder Been here awhile

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    BINGO !

    We have a winner, please step up and let me check your card.

    THAT is nearly exactly what has been in my head. It even looks in the 12-14 foot range. I was thinking I'd mount a steel plate in the back of my boat where there is a provision for a drop down rudder, and then mount a magnetic brakelight, ala towtrucks and such when I'm driving. That way I don't have to remember to tie on a red flag and/or have somebody smack into it at night, maybe a small light in the front too.

    Thanks for digging around your files and posting that photo. That's my dream.

    Heck, as dreams go, this looks pretty easy. My square cigarette dream never really went anywhere and the Heather Locklear one never took off either. This is worth pursuing.
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  9. toolhorder

    toolhorder Been here awhile

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    If you search images for "sidecar kayak", a photo comes up of a man with a blue suzuki (DR maybe?) with a sidecar and a kayak on it. The kayak has a for sale sign on it.

    Upon further investigation, that photo was taken on my birthday 2 years ago.

    Done. I'm doing this. This is meant to be.
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  10. angysdad

    angysdad 2 kids = 1 sidecar

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    Same bike, same rally, different angle...

    <a href="http://s878.photobucket.com/albums/ab345/angysdad/?action=view&current=kayak.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider-photobucket-images/images/a/angysdad_kayak.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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  11. joeyhssdad

    joeyhssdad fiddyjoey

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    I like your idea since I have had a similar idea in my head for a couple years. Mine is a little different however. I want to make my tub in a canoe style, using a fiberglassed, cedar strip construction method. (i built a cedar strip tripping boat several years ago and love it!) My design will not net me a working boat, but more of a working sidecar, in a boat style.
    Anyways, the advice to get a Ural frame is good, the reason being is that Urals have exterior frames, and the tub bolts to that frame. (unlike some with interior frame/moncoque type contstruction). Once the tub is removed, you have an ideal platform on which you could bolt your kayak's mounting gear and the kayak.
    Regarding weight, you will end up with a VERY light car. Bags of sand in the kayak will be the easiest way to make it driveable. Even in my heavier car I occasionallly put a bag of sand to make it easier to turn R.
    Ideally, you will find a complete Ural car, and you will be able to use your bike both as a kayak carrier, and as a sidecar when you decide to put the tub back on!!!!
    Good luck!
    Please share!
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  12. Qwik

    Qwik Adrenaline Addict

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    Came across this Pic and immediately thought of this thread.
    Bike is a Rudge.

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  13. garry_kramer

    garry_kramer Been here awhile

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    Like this? This was at the EGT in Luxembourg when I was there in August. The tub detaches and is a row boat.

    Garry

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  14. Richard-NL

    Richard-NL Sidecar Fan

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    As for others too. It has all been done before. Just an example:
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    Go ahead and have fun with your projects.

    Richard-NL :bmwrider
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  15. Acer9

    Acer9 Aye!

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    I have been thinking of doing the same thing. Can't get it out of my head, I have been making drawings for the last year or so. That boat is exactly what I have, a 12 ft. poke boat. www.pokeboat.com They are exceptionally light and strong. Wish I could talk to that guy. It just seems like such a great idea if you want to motorcycle and get out on the water.
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  16. kitesurfer

    kitesurfer Long timer

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    i'm thinking along the same lines except i'm thinking trailer. a 50lb canoe loaded with camping gear on a light trailer ....
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  17. kayhackinbiker

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    WELL!! I just joined this site! I am currently checking into hacking my 06 Aero with a sidecar frame and strapping my rec yak onto the platform! I saw the pic of the dirt bike with the orange yak on the side on the motocampers forum and said THAT IS for me! I made a comment that I HATE riding because I leave my kayak at home and I HATE kayaking because I Ieave my bike at home!...Well, this just solves the entire problem of transporting gear, yak, AND dog(s) for me! Don't wanna tow a yak with good reason and KNOW this is the solution to my dream!

    I joined a canadian site and was directed to this thread...hence joining up! I have to edit my details in good time but I am busy right now..just added an avatar of my Lil G, Georgia! Those are her mountain bike doggles.. she has a pair with flames on the sides and a black helmet..she still needs to learn how to KEEP them on! HAHA!!

    I am sure I will be in touch with any and all who share the same passion and are torn between 2 loves.. kayaking and riding!...oh and camping! That's THREE!! HAHA!! Linda
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  18. madeouttaglass

    madeouttaglass Hippie Ki Yay! Humboldt changed my life.

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    That is freaking hilarious! I want one for my Gear Up. I could back it right down the boat ramp.
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  19. Bar None

    Bar None Long timer Supporter

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    toolhoarder,
    Google "kayak sidecar"
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  20. kayhackinbiker

    kayhackinbiker n00b

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    Oh man!! I am not leaving out the idea of selling my Aero and getting a Ural! This is taking so many twists and turns! HAHA!! I saw an idea that someone had their setup made to remove the hack and replace it with their kayak when they wanted to...THAT is exactly what I need!!!

    I think I am taking a lil trip to Hillsburgh, Ontario to Old Vintage Cranks to check more stuff out...get my current bike up to snuff and sell some stuff that I don't need........

    I really do need reverse and I do camp at offbeat places now and then, offroad...and I need a lil doggie hauler......and I can ride in the snow in a Ural......
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