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Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by HellSickle, Sep 25, 2018.
Do you know where all the school bus stops are in you local area?
Yes, it's where you see the buses at the beginning and end of the day during the week. The buses with red lights flashing and stop signs extended. The buses with neon green signs marking their presence well in advance. You should never out drive your vision because of school buses, wild life, other accidents, pedestrians, rogue llamas, etc.
Not sure why you continue to defend the truck driver after he was cited for numerous violations and we did exactly what the law required.
It was a posted school bus stop, I know in California they need to be surveyed for things like adequate visibility, they aren't just at random.
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California has the best accident rate by at least a factor of two (well, they did when I was one), part of that is southern and urban, but part of that is that the highway patrol administers school buses and licencing (cop with a gun giving you the test!) and part is that they require the driver to get out and escort kids across the street.
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Although it sounds as if that is the case, I don't think that's what they're conveying here..... If you guys knew and the truck driver knew that a bus stop was coming up and the time of day, why pass the truck? Why was the truck hauling ass as you attempted to pass? Please keep in mind that the majority of people that read face plant are trying to learn.....ie not get hit by a fucking semi! So just trying to figure out why you guys decided to pass him knowing the bus stop was up ahead.....did you forget what time it was? Mental processes are harder to learn than physical, so any insight into your mindset at the time is helpful for new and experienced riders. I still cannot understand why so many people react like that when being passed in a passing zone.....I mean WTF?! Everyone takes everything so personal these days....
On roads that I frequently travel, absolutely. I also make it a habit to not be on those roads at school bus time if at all possible.
It’s called me first. Get out of my way or pay the consequences.
I am not trying to defend the truck driver. I am amazed at the names the driver was described by other posters as if they have never had an accident, drive home buzzed or text or apply make up while driving. By definition this was an accident. It's very unfortunate your wife was hurt. When I was younger I used to drive Heavy Duty tow truck. I was hit by a distracted driver that put me on the hood of their car. I was pissed and bruised up. The company I work for does a lot of road service on trucks along the highway. The majority of the trade magazines that we receive talk about distracted driving. The majority of accidents are caused my 4 wheelers. Big rigs get a rap because the ambulance chaser lawyers have found a niche market to make big money from the insurance companies. In todays world, a lot of 4 wheelers have state minimum coverage which means you are screwed, even if you have a lawyer, it's best to make sure you have a healthy underinsured endorsement on your policy.
I've already outlined what we would have done differently. I also explained how we were stuck behind him in the tight canyon just before town. We did not know the road very well, so I was expecting there might be more tight canyon ahead. We did a clean pass right where the speed limit jumped to 65. I was also not familiar with the school bus stops, but unlike the truck driver, we were not out driving our vision for motorcycles.
Gotcha....it's like the perfect storm Just so fucking scary....I cannot imagine or would want to know what it's like to wear your boots. Thanks for the PTSD reminder....I'll bet not a lot of folks seek counseling after witnessing/involved in a crash like that. I'll have to reread you post.....a lot of info in it that I missed. Keep moving forward!
I'd be hesitant as to which box I'd tick - the dead right one or the I will learn from this and work on improving my safety one.
I feel for you but I'm equally glad I don't have to share the road with you.
A court process here at least begins with a series of charges, that in itself doesn't prove or convey guilt. Shall be curious to see what happens in the wash.
We outlined in great detail what we could have done differently. I'm very aware of the hazards of being "dead right". You've beat this to death trying to defend a truck driver that was clearly in the wrong. I don't know how things work down there, but stopped school buses and school zone speed limits are pretty sacred. Just blowing past a stopped school bus is a 6 point ticket, vs. 3-4 points for running a stop sign. Careless driving is 4 points. Careless driving resulting in death is 12 points. Careless driving resulting in injury is somewhere between the two. It's very likely this guy is going to exceed the 12 points needed to lose his license.
The feeling is mutual. You are defending a truck driver that was clearly careless. If that's how you drive, I'm glad you're on the other side of the world. Perhaps it's different rules when you drive on the wrong side of the road? Your thinking certainly is on the wrong side of the road. You seem to think reckless truck drivers are to be expected everywhere and they seem acceptable to you. If I were to avoid being around trucks, I would have to stick to off-highway riding.
Your thoughtless statement wants to make me yank this entire thread.
You can bet we will be sharing our version and the medical details with the district attorney. With all the witnesses and the flagrant violations, it's going to be pretty tough for him to get reduced charges. Over here, ignorance is never an acceptable answer for breaking the law. Other attorneys have told us that this guy would have to have a ridiculously incompetent attorney to try and argue his way out of all charges. The best he can hope for is a plea deal to get them reduced.
HellSickle and Prairierider,
I have a CDL, so I have that training plus I see a lot of MVA's as a firefighter, but there is already too much drama in this thread, so ...
Like a lot of others, I wish you both a speedy recovery. I appreciate you sharing your story, some good reminders for all of us. Thank you for saying goodbye to Graywolf, such a fitting way to thank an inmate. Uli and other western slope inmates talked about what a great guy he was but I never met him. My schedule never worked with the Fall Colors Tour. See you at Norm's next year for Dino.
About that staple scar tattoo, buttons?, laces?, zipper? I know - zipties.
Thanks Chris, I appreciate that. No decision yet on the tattoo
WOW, just WOW.
Nope. never watched any video's
Took the written exam and the driving , and was thrown out in the real world.
22 years later, 1.3 million miles . Zero crashes
So hows she doing today?
Thanks for asking. A little better every day. She just started limited driving and some desk work at one of her jobs.
She got the 21 staples out of her arm on Monday. The incision is looking really good. She's going in today to have stiches removed from her shin, where they closed a 30mm opening (visible tibia). On Monday they also tried to drain a fluid pouch from her leg. They got out 250ml. It's starting to fill again. We've been told that this could take months to resolve. If it doesn't resolve itself, further surgery might be required.
Good report on your wife. Hope it all continues well for her and you both physically and emotionally.
I ride with my wife often and this must have been very traumatic for both of you. I work with trauma victims everyday and my only advice would be to take your time at everything and the PTSD counseling is a great idea that too few take. Since you have stated that you two are on the more mature side, please keep on the Drs about her arm healing. Upper arms have a bad habit of becoming non-unions.
And to the rest of you monday morning quarterbacks, please remember that this event actually happened to two very nice fellow riders. It is not just a story for you to criticize. If you are not trying to learn something or give some encouragement, how about fucking right off.