Kidnappings in Mexico

Discussion in 'Americas' started by Grad, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. Lone Rider

    Lone Rider Registered User

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    Wal*Mart has comforters on sale right now. The size that will go over your head.
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  2. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    Thanks for the tip, man. Are they available in the Mexico City MallWart too? I'll pick one on Saturday, I hear it still gets into the mid 40's at night... :vardy


    Gustavo

    PS - Don't go to Mexico City, if the bandidos don't get you, the smog certainly will.
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  3. Big Single

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    I rode across Mexico City. It was about 40 degrees and raining. Rush hour seem to last all day. I had no map and simply entered in the southeast corner and headed northwest to catch 57. The drivers were fairly ruthless but better than the suicidal crazies in New Orleans.. :evil The Mexico City moto cops were absolutely insane.. :evil
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  4. rossphoto

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    Exactly!!! Best advice I've seen on here for anywhere in the world...
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  5. Uncle Pollo

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  6. bananaman

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    I totally liked riding in Mexico way way way better than riding the US.

    We're always at way greater risk from, for example, moms-on-phones than federales or banditos.

    Making a short-list of dangers:

    moms-on-phones
    old people who shouldn't-be-allowed-to-drive
    taxis
    trucks
    buses
    ...
    dogs
    ...
    holes-in-the-roads
    trying to park
    and way, way down somewhere after bad water and bad gas:

    banditos
    federales
    kidnappers
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  7. Reposado1800

    Reposado1800 Juicy J fan!

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    I have a friend in Michoacan. He gave me a piece of advice for when traveling in potential bandito areas. Tail another vehicle or two. Ride in a pack not alone or way spread out. The banditos are looking to trap a lone vehicle under the cover of night.
    I would like to go to Mexico City one day but can't find any Mexican who is willing to go with me. They say everybody gets jacked up there sooner or later.:wink:
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  8. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    Yeah, it's really scary here. I don't recommend it to anybody, especially not on a bike (it's crowded enough as it is, the last thing they need is more people on the roads... :deal ).


    Gustavo
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  9. Big Single

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    Gosh, don't drive at night. Not because of the banditos, but road hazards. My money is on the horse or cow you hit. Hell, one very stupid night in Durango I came around a turn and found a house sized boulder. If I hadn't just come out of light speed I'd be a greasy spot on that rock.
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  10. Marvin the Martian

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    I have had problems in Mexico but they mostly apply to major urban centers and not small towns. Crime can happen any place and if you travel alone you are a target. I've almost always dome long distance alone because I have a huge amount of holiday time each year, but I am careful and have on several occasions foiled the crime before it happened.
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  11. motolocopat

    motolocopat When in doubt gas it!

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    While not to be taken lightly it seems a unlikely event that I, a person passing through at random, would be targeted as a kidnapping victim.

    I run motorcycle tours in Ecuador which borders Colombia. We do not run our tours near the border for peace of mind, customers, and because there is nothing right in the border regions that we cannot se elsewhere. For years before starting the tours I travelled all around Ecuador and NEVER had ANY problem so when I started the tours it was pretty much a non-issue.
    SOme years back I had a short Industrial Project that I was involved in the Oil & Gas industry here that was located in the Amazon area bordering Colombia. If there is any area to worry about this is it and there are occasional kidnappings there. It just so happened that one of my flights out there I was on a flight with a US Military type that was working with the Ecuadorians, specifically in the security area.

    SO I ASKED HIM what are the chances of the BAD GUYS targeting me and my merry group of motorcyclists as we pass through at random?
    He told me almost the exact same thing that is in that article........
    The Bad Guys operate this as a business, they want to know first off that the person they are kidnapping has some serious cash or the company he works for does. They will pick out a target and they will study his movements over a period of months and they will then pick out a time and place to nab him. Bottom line was EVEN if we were in the area where these groups operate it would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they would target us as we rode through or even staying a night in a hotel and leaving the next day.
    In CA & SA I have been to, lived, worked or traveled in Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil. Only once have I ever had a problem and that was late at night while I was in a bad area farting about......... in other words, breaking all the rules.

    Not to say it couldn't happen but if you watch your P&Q's and follow the basics then the chances of anything of this nature are greatly reduced and I'd say highly unlikely.

    Petty Crime is another story and there are certain easy steps to minimize the possibility of this or the loss if it does happen.

    Same thing with crooked police. On this note it seems that some people are more susceptible to this than others. I've seen it in travels all over the world, some people always seem to be a victim and others never seem to have a problem or minimal problems. I've even noticed it on this board, some travelers seem to repeatedly get shaken down and others in the same countries seem to go through with little or no problem. I think it is how you deal with them initially, if they sense that you are going to easily give in or smell the fear then they press it, if not they decide to move to their real job and let you go about your business.

    In the end you either have the personality makeup to try adventure travel or you don't. I have a Sis/Bro-InLaw who take a Mexican Vacation at least once a year....... they go to the big all-inclusive resorts and drink margharitas :beer served by some mexican :jose who speaks english with less of an accent than I do with my Texas Drawl:jkam

    To them it is an Adventure in Mexico...... To me it's a Joke:D

    Vaya con Dios
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  12. rossphoto

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    Im here in Mex now and loving it... So far not a single problem. None.. The cops and the people have been great...

    Hope it stays like this...

    Ross
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  13. gasandasphalt

    gasandasphalt Been here awhile

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    Just returned from a ride in Mexico, here are the things to watch out for,,,,,TOPES,,,,, and EATING TOO MUCH WONDERFUL FOOD !!!! HAVE A GREAT TRIP your biggest problem will be safe journey TO the border....
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  14. rider1150gsadv

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    The best thing to do before travelling abroad is to learn the language, or at least know a bit more than ordering a beer... :deal
    If you show an effort, it is amzing how many more doors open up to you.:D
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  15. Big Single

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    Sure, it's important to eat too... :evil
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  16. Davemacduf

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    I lived "8 years in Oaxaca, Mexico" and rode solo on many trips as well as with the BMW club there. I never felt safer in my life. The Mexicans will bend over backwards to help you. Around border towns though always be very alert! This is true nearly everyplace on the planet. Also the cardinal rule is never drive at night. Mexico is a great place to practice dodging marauding dogs.
    Just remember if unavoidable rock back and roll the throttle on.
    Google Motodiscovery formerly Pancho Villa Motorcycle tours. Skip Mascorro has been running adventure tours in mexico since 1981. :1drink
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  17. r2adv

    r2adv Been here awhile

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    Three of us returned from a 4,000+ mile trip through Mexico and Guatemala a couple of weeks ago. We spoke little Spanish to start (we were better after two weeks). Had a great time, superb food (Mexico was better than Guatemala). People everywhere were great. Mostly good roads. Lane splitting is the norm. You can ride through the construction zones evn when traffic is backed up.

    Negatives - Travel light to reduce the effect of topes. Hitting them at full bore on a loaded 12GS hurts. Get used to being searched by guys with guns. They were friendly but I got tired of opening my bags and cases. Only one incident of locals trying to take money from passing traffic by throwing logs onto the road. It stopped the cars but not a GS.

    Kidnap guys on a bike? Why bother when there are all those rich folks in Mercs ,Bimmers, Hummers, and Escalades.

    trip pics with route map available here: https://ryanwerks.smugmug.com/Motorcycle%20Adventures
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  18. woodchuckexc

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    carry porn for the guys with guns and stickers for the kids. A little love goes a long way. Stay away from TJ and Rosorito beach and you'll do fine. Mexicans only suck when they are influenced by gringos. Go figure!
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  19. torags

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    I'm happy so many have not had problems. But...

    the wife & son of one of the top racers of the Baja1000 was kidnapped & terrorized for her RV.

    I was at our camp with my son on the course in the middle of nowhere just before the climb to Mikes Sky Ranch, when

    3 dudes appeared out of nowhere walking. They casually walked past us, and I told my boy to pack up, we've been made and we got to get out of here as soon as the trophy trucks finish.

    Wanting to get some better photos we walked up 1/2 mile, when my son said guess who's back. I turned and saw one with a red pipe in his hand down the road.

    A fast moving buggy came by, kicked up a lot of dust on the turn and we dove down the downside and hide for a while. They probably though we were contining up the road. We hightailed back to my car and down the road, damn the trophy trucks.

    While we were there a private copter went down. Someone was killed other injured. They were taken to Encinada hospital. Later that night a few SUVs came to the hospital and in a commando style (guns drawn)& kidnapped one of the occupants. Later the cops (federallies) tried to stop them near TJ (at least one federallie was killed)

    Do you think a Mexican governmental agency would issue a warning on a whim?

    Get real.
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  20. nicolascav

    nicolascav Been here awhile

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    mexico was as safe as it got for me..... the police in peru well lets talk about that jajaj.. it just depends on your luck,, hide:wink: the IPOD
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