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Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Gros Buck, Jul 16, 2012.
Another busted seat. My fourth one.
The difference between a 2012 seat and a 2011 is the extra two rubber cushions.
My old 2011 seat did not have the same molding as the new seat. It could have not accomodated the new 690 2012.
There are now two part number for 690 seats. One is for the 2012 and the other one is for the 2011 and earlier.
Well I have ordered the 2011, but I noticed the seat "Molding" is "now" exactely the same. The only difference between them is that KTM did not install the extra two rubber dampers. Go figure why they maintain two parts for that ??? :huh
Somebody who has a 2012 seat in BO, he could attempt to order a 2011, and install two of its old seat's rubber damper onto its "new" 2011".
Part number for my replacement 2011 seat was 76507040100
Serial number of that "new" 2011 seat is 9533. I do not know since when KTM have started doing that. And I do not know if they will continu.
I have installed my fourth seat this week, and guess what ??? It lasted 1 hour. :huh:huh:huh:huh:huh
Destroyed just like my third.
I need a fifth one then :eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1
Paul Jr 8
Everyone knows KTMs are hardcore offroad bikes. You must only stand on the pegs. Seat is just for show. Whattsa matta you?!
That sucks really.:huh
Take one of your old seats and reinforce it with fiberglass maybe stick a few bits of carbon kevlar tape in across the known fail points.
will cost alot less than a new seat and should last a bit longer too
How can you sit on a KTM seat anyway?
Those are carved from oak, or maybe ironwood.
I added a rubber padding (arrows "2", duro 30) roughly 3" wide x 1 1/2" thick for the full width of the seat. Arrows "2" also indicates were the seat applies weight. We see deformations in the rubber clearly. Arrows "1" indicates the air box is suffering less wear, but still. The electric connector (3)seems to be offloaded of all of my ass's weight.
Rubber padding side view.
Another day. Another picture. No !!! this is not same seat I posted earlier in this thread. We clearly see the crack Arrow "2". We also see how the rubber cushions holes have increased in size. Arrows "1". Holes are now larger then
I officialy declare KTM's seat "Pieces of shit". "Crap Design". And "Poor Construction".
Do you know what is hilarious ??? You see the roll of tape in the first picture ??? I forgot to remove it when I re-install the seat. The tape stay there unttached and completely intact for the whole of the ride !!! Jesus !!
Paul Jr 8
I was thinking take the foam off,form a sheet of aluminum to the inside of the pan,drill and pop rivet it in place. My dual purpose bikes are all projects.
Ok the seat has lasted an hour.
Now I understand why ... You can click on these picture, and then zoom in and zoom out them afterward.
Fabrication of that seat is very poor. We clearly see substantial damages done at KTM by numerous stapples, and poorly executed repairs.
It is useless to have your seat refoamed/recovered by Sargent or anyone else. That seat pan is real crap. And will only damage more by re-satappling.
This is basic quality control failing.
Paul Jr 8
The seat is at the Carbon Fiber shop.
We will use the actual pan as a starting point for a mold.
I'll keep you posted.
BMW seats are no better now. This is my F800GS seat after the cover was stapled on twice.
Fortunately there is a cure, in my case anyway. Goop to the rescue!
The cover stapled on nicely into the Goop and the seat looks like new from above anyway. Can't really see the repair from below.
I just bought the 012 seat for my 08 its definitely more plush than the original.
On your seat pan I have an idea for reinforcement: Ive used the LAVA MAT product before as alternative to carbon fiber or glass mat on hard to wrap uneven surfaces. Simply because of its adhesive backing, it makes it real easy work with, wrapping curves and angles because it sticks in place on uneven surfaces- then you can apply resin to the lava mat fabric just like carbon fiber or glass mat. You can apply multiple layers as well.
Anyone get a seat replaced under warranty?
A friend of mine who owns a 2012 experiences the same issue.
Sweet cause mine is busted, so add me to the 2012 broken seat list. I just dropped it at the dealer to have the TPS replaced and the seat both under warranty I hope. I know the TPS will be covered but didn't know if there was precedence for the seat.
How heavy are you?
Look at the following picture.
It's a 690 2012 that belongs to a 110 lbs lady ... Cabling is worning out, and the main connector is punched by the seat "Date Mark". You do not see it on the picture, but rubber dampers are already worned out. The seat will brake pretty soon.
That means that all owner of 2011 and 2012 bikes suffer that same issue. It's simply that few of them realized it already ...
Poor design then.
That question did need to be asked though
I pulled my seat off last night to have a look at the underside. It looks OK, so far (400+ miles on bike). But one of the rubber bumpers is missing! And, whatever the composition of the pan, it is thinner than on my other bikes.