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Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Kikemon, Jun 19, 2019.
Hot weather? I'll take that citation and try my chances in court.
Like recently in El Paso and Odessa, or is that a different kind of "good guy"
Thanks for pointing that out to me. I know you were sitting around the pickle barrel with the other rednecks just waiting to chump out someone.
I'm glad I made your day.
Plus, the shoulders seem to be where all the roofing nails and other tire hazards end up.
That was your mistake... admitting you were willing to "risk a ticket and the other sheeple weren't." I never got out of tickets when I was young, then I had a point in my life where I worked with law enforcement and learned the secret. There are really only two crimes in America... misdemeanor bad attitude and felony bad attitude. You've got to learn not to fail the attitude test. The cop gave you an attitude test and you didn't pass. What might have been a better answer? "Officer, I'm not special. I'm just burning up in all of this safety gear and I didn't want to get so hot just sitting there or going slow and pass out. I figured it would be a lot more disruptive to traffic if I keeled over and caused an incident, so I felt that riding slowly on the shoulder to get some airflow would be safer." The cop might have looked at you a little sideways, but you likely would have skated with a warning.
I lane split when in CA... because drivers are used to it and know how to react to it. Here in the PNW, the busybody do-gooders would like nothing more than to swerve into you to show you how dangerous lane splitting is by teaching you a lesson. I've had people in Los Angeles traffic yell at me (women in minivans, likely fairly new to CA) "that's not legal!" There's no point in stopping and arguing, so I just keep going.
There was an attempt to pass a lane splitting law in the WA legislature a year or so ago; it failed. Progressive Seattle is not ready to actually consider the possibility that trusting people to use common sense is a good idea.
Bullshit. Maybe if you're white.
I nearly got shot reaching for my wallet after the officer asked me to show him my drivers license, insurance, and registration. It took an act of "fuck this shit" and "let the muthafucker stew in this heat!" to get past the impasse where he kept yelling at me to show him my license and I kept telling him "i'm not deaf, I was reaching to get my wallet when you pulled your gun on me, so I'm not moving."
Here's the instance
It's $250 fine (riding on shoulder) here in VA vs reckless for splitting.. unless you are on 50cc scooter
I can't speak to what happened specifically; I wasn't there. I will tell you that traffic stops are the most dangerous things that the police do; this is where most cops get shot. From the police officer's perspective, he can't tell if you're reaching for your wallet or for a gun. In a traffic stop, the police will usually pull you over and then sit in their car for a minute running your plate. In that time, get your license out and have it in your hand, and have your hand on the steering wheel. At night, turn on the interior lights. When the officer walks up, he's going to push on the trunk to make sure someone doesn't come out behind him, he's going to check the back seat to make sure someone isn't crouched there to ambush him, and then he's going to talk to you. He doesn't know whether you're a pastor or a psycho with a dead body in the trunk. Having that license in your hand goes a long way towards reassuring him... because this is how an off duty police officer would act.
Nevertheless, if you didn't get shot then you acted appropriately. Yes, if a gun is pulled I'm going to stay as still as possible. While many cops have excellent gun handling and confrontational skills... well, there's a reason for the nickname 'Barney Fife.' Just giving some advice... if you have that license out and your hands are on the wheel, then there really is no movement required when the officer is at your window.
But VA has taken the whole "reckless" thing to ridiculous extremes. It means that a casual lane splitter or someone going 80 is going to be classified, cited (and potentially penalized) the same way as someone racing in and out of traffic at 120. Most states define "reckless operation" something like "operating a vehicle with willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property." Going 80 in a 70 does not fit that description in any way, especially given that there are plenty of other places in USA where 80mph would not only be common and safe but even within the posted speed limits.
In addition 2 abreast is also classified as reckless and reckless is misdemeanor so you would have a criminal record if you get caught.
Does that apply to cops as well? ...or are there no motorcycle cops in the State of Virginia. Yep, you could have a criminal record in one State for riding at a speed that would be 5 under the limit in parts of TX. That's why I try to avoid passing through VA if I'm ever travelling in that part of the country.
Well, I was there and I can tell you that in any interaction a black person has with the police, they are in danger, besides that
A) he got the speed limit wrong, and
B) I was going at the speed of traffic in vehicle with
C) up to date insurance and registration.
And most importantly, I didn't just randomly reach, HE ASKED to see my license, insurance, and registration.
Was i supposed to just conjure them up out of thin air? Where do you keep your drivers license? Where did think I was going to get it from?
You can try to justify his actions all you want but I did nothing wrong and got a gun pointed at me for that.
It's always amusing that the first reaction most white people have is to defend the cop, throwing out statistics about cops in danger, instead of saying "that's fucked up!" Only one dude on my rugby team, immediately said "that's fucked up. Did you get his badge number?" One. I've told this story maybe forty or fifty times now.
I guess my humanity doesn't count.
Everything in Virginia is a reckless though.
They tagged that one when a State Shithead decided the cowl on my hood was too tall. Nevermind the car wasn't registered in Virginiastan, nor was a resident.
I just avoid that part of the country.
.....and if I must transverse Virginia, I do it on I-81 in the middle of the night.
Must have been Fairfax county
With regards to 'stans at least you can bribe your way out and there's also human factor; if you look enough of "mamzel in distress" there's a chance they will let you go for free. /have been there/done it/
Close, King George Co.
White, redneck, hillbilly here. That's F'd up man. The dude must have had a phobia, who knows? When I'm told by a cop to get this or that, I look him in the eye and tell him where it is at and I am going to move in that direction to get it.
Out here in Vegas people lane split. Its not legal. I do it at stop lights, but people here do it on the highway. That shit is dangerous.
Thank you sir.