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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by dduelin, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. dduelin

    dduelin Prone To Wander, Lord, I Feel It

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  2. Navin

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    For when you don't really want to be the best.

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    15 years ago this bike would have trounced the Ninja 250, in 2008 it would have edged it out. In 2014 it is fighting to not be in last place against the Suzuki 250 or Hyosung 250 tanks.
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  4. Chief Ten Bears

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    The best at what? Performance? Sales? Quality? Owner satisfaction? MotoGP championships?

    I doubt Honda envy's ANYTHING about Kawasaki.

    I like the Ninja 250 and 300 very much so, but I'm pretty sure the CBR250R once introduced in North America stole a lot if not all of Kawasaki's cake, thus the Ninja 300. Kawasaki is going to run out of cc's if that's their game plan. Look for the Ninja 350 next year...
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  5. Navin

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    The Ninja 300 wasn't designed the day the CBR250 hit the spy shot circus. It was in development long before that.

    Put the CBR in the slot it belongs in, right above the Hyosung and Suzuki. That isn't class best, or class leading. Remember when Honda used to dominate the competition?

    Now they just want to be included. "Everybody gets a medal" rec soccer mentality.

    I'm no Kawasaki fan boy, but they build the best sub 400cc street bikes right now. Honda builds the distant second place until the KTMs and Yamaha R3 get released.
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  6. Chief Ten Bears

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    The Ninja is a more motorcycle, for sure, but for a lot more price as well. The CBR250R is Honda's best selling motorcycle in the United States of America. I don't think Honda much worries at all, ever, about Kawasaki.
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  7. dduelin

    dduelin Prone To Wander, Lord, I Feel It

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    If everybody bought the class best or class leading it wouldn't leave room for all the other wonderful motorcycles that make life worth living. There are other criteria to consider and some of them are hopelessly subjective.

    Ride what you like.
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  8. Navin

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    $4200 vs. $4999 and Honda had to discount the CBR to under $3500 to move them. Kawi doesn't need to put any incentives on the 300, and in many parts of the USA they are getting well over MSRP for them. Some have paid near $7000 OTD.

    Maybe Honda should build a bike that sells well without heavy discounting? A better bike than the Ninja 300 would be a good place to start. Building the CBR wasn't them flexing their creative muscles, or is that really the best they can do now? :puke1
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  9. Navin

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    If they don't compete we all lose. The bikes will not get better, why should they if just good enough is good enough?
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  10. GoonerYoda

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    Perhaps Triumph should rethink this whole 250cc thing since both Honda and Kawasaki have moved up to 300cc.
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  11. Navin

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    350 is the new single cylinder 250 and 40 HP is the new power level. Yamaha looks to have gone back to the drawing board with the R25 P2 and has a R3 in the wings. If the R25 really had at least 35 HP, the R3 should be at least equal to the Ninja's 39 and about 30 lbs. lighter too.

    That is what I want to see. Improve the bikes, move the bar to better than the others. The bottom rung bikes have been crappy long enough! :deal
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    You'd have to have shit for brains paying $7000 for a Ninja 300. That's doesn't bode we'll for Ninja 300 fanatics like yourself, in all honesty. Sorry...




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  13. Dav101

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    85.3 MPG. Wait... What?
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  14. Navin

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    But I HATE the Ninja 300, seriously! I'm waiting for the RR tiny bike too. The Ninja is just as close as we can get right now. Why doesn't it bode well for me? I paid $50 under MSRP.

    Yes, it is bad news for Kawasaki too, (as if I care either way) that they command a premium for the best bike in a crappy class of also rans. Very bad news for them! I'm sure they would trade the Ninja 300 for the CBR250 sales failure in a heartbeat! :lol3
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  15. LuvPop

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    If you're looking for an economical commuter, I don't consider the Ninja300 and the CBR250 even close. The CBR is better. MUCH better IMHO. If the above $3500 vs. $7000 isn't enough (I suspect that's base price vs. OTD, but still, nearly 2 to 1!!), the mpgs and weight aren't close. I got many tanks in the low 90s on my CBR, without hypermiling, just riding to work. I don't believe the Kawi comes close to that.:amazon
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  16. Navin

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    Yes, if you want a heavy moped, the CBR wins every time!


    Poke in my general direction? Bah! :lol3
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  17. DudeClone

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    if other makes follow honda into the 500cc segment of middleweight street bikes all this 300cc nonsense should be put to rest

    not that it was nonsense a year or two ago but with viable alternatives out there offering considerably "more" bike for just a little more money such as the cb500 triplets i don't see how the ninja 300 or honda's own 300 are really as desirable as they used to be

    i mean the Ninja 300 is a good little bike and you can rev it high and pretend its a 636 or something, but that sort of fun lasts so long, i would think :hmmmmm
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  18. kraven

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    Indeed it should.

    It'd be fine with me if they let Kawi and Zuke go all in and then show their hole card as a new VFR400/NC30.
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  19. motoracer51

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    Meh. I still like the looks of the Ninja 300.

    I learned my lesson years ago with the RC51 debacle. Honda needs to come up with another CBR900RR.
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  20. Navin

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    Low rotational mass. Less weight, lighter handling. You are using the age old bigger is better theory. If a 500 is good. a 1000 is better. If a 1000 is good, a 1400 is better.

    I'd rather ride a hyped up 250 or even a 125 than a dumbed down 500-1400.

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