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LBS-Sidecars USA | Wanna' Winch? Let's See Yours!

Discussion in 'Hack Vendors' started by LBS-USA, Jan 7, 2021.

  1. LBS-USA

    LBS-USA Been here awhile Super Supporter

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    The Pacific Northwest is a great place to live if you’re into adventure riding or touring on two wheels, or three! We have mountains, scenic drives, state and national parks with graded roads for “soft-roading", rain forests and deserts. For outdoor gear in general, we’re home to REI. For BMW adventure motorcycles, we have two great dealerships. And for adventure touring accessories, we’re home to Touratech—USA.

    Sidecars are a platform for “a lot of farkle”. Once the Touratech catalog of goodies have been exhausted, what’s a GS sidecarist to do? Three points define a plane. Hacks have three wheels. Let’s buy a winch!

    On one hand, a winch could be considered a costly and infernal device that gives one the misbegotten self-confidence to “. . . boldly go where no (hu)man has gone before . . .”. For an exceptionally good reason – you’ll probably get stuck! On the other hand, if your buddy gets stuck, and you have a winch, well, that recovery would be “priceless” wouldn’t it?

    In some of the winch installs I’ve seen, the builder fabricated a winch mounting plate, using a round tube that slips into the front or rear of the main chassis “backbone” tube, and is then friction clamped in place. An option on our adventure chassis is welded-0n Class II 2-1/2in (52mm) receivers front and rear.

    As I have a couple of builds coming up with a winch on the “requested options” list, I’m drinking the Kool-Aid first and ordered one for myself - best if I’m the learning curve. I’m waiting on a chassis to commence my build, but if any adventure hack owners are interested, here’s some winch porn info for you.

    WARN Industries, 3,500lb pulling capacity AXON 35-S Powersports Winch with Spydura Synthetic Cable Rope (3/16in dia., 50 ft length), item no: 101130. After having a stainless-steel cable snap on my boat and watching our brand-new RIB bounce off the transom and fall into Puget Sound, I am a huge fan of synthetic winch cable:

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    WARN Industries Winch Trailer Hitch Adapter Mounting Plate, item no: 68531. Comes pre-drilled to mount a variety WARN winches – except the one I ordered (WTF?):

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    Time to drill some new holes in the mounting plate. Measure thrice, drill once:

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    The upside of not billing by the hour, set-ups take time, but the holes are (usually) in the right place:

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    Poked the holes in the right places!:

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    Completed assembly, front-quarter view:

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    Complete assembly, rear-quarter view:

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    Note the inset from the previous photo. WARN obviously didn’t anticipate having a “mobile” winch install. These tiny wires are the control circuits for either a remote switch or pendant. Though they have a modicum of sealing, the lack of any strain relief or protection bothered me, so re-purposed a pannier strap tie-down as a cable-tie anchor and sealed the wires with good old RTV silicon:

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    And, here is the first of three dimensional photos if you want to roll your own:

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  2. Bobmws

    Bobmws Curmudgeon At Large

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    Frame receivers front & rear?
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  3. LBS-USA

    LBS-USA Been here awhile Super Supporter

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    That's the plan!
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  4. Reklaw59

    Reklaw59 Faster than your Nan.

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  5. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority Supporter

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    Warn winches are the "Gold Standard" of winches so once again LBS show they are about quality products!

    That's a great looking little winch, but in my opinion it's too bad they don't sell the XT17 portable any longer. I really like the way my XT17 allows me to pull from an obtuse angle by using straps rather than a hitch mount as your anchor points are rarely directly in front or behind you. It also allows the winch to be out away from the rig so if pulling at an angle the cable won't come in contact with the rig.

    Warn xt17 winch.jpg

    Perhaps a mount could be made that allows straps to be used rather than the hitch receiver?

    The hitch receiver does make for a great way to carry the winch, so there is that.
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  6. LBS-USA

    LBS-USA Been here awhile Super Supporter

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    Thanks! And I agree! I source the AXION 35-S (synthetic), which is now the "smallest" in their ATV/Powersport line. I's way overkill, but it the best option for a quality product. Front and Rear Class II receivers are now standard on all of our GS+URAL chassis, and also our OVERLAND chassis. In fact, our very own @MGV8 will be the first person in the entire known universe with front and rear receivers on his OVERLAND kit, which will ship in a few weeks. The chassis will also have a dedicated AGM winch "house" battery holder on the inboard frame member, and we'll drop in the same type AGM battery as the GS's start battery.
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  7. MGV8

    MGV8 Long timer Supporter

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    My current rig has receivers front and rear. Non standard Brock creation. It is entirely possible to swap the winch end for end but not elegant. The harness is on a quick connect similar to this https://picocanada.com/view_product/32574-91. The harness is tie wrapped to my frame as it is long to reach where the connection is. The same connection serves for my tilt on the car suspension so I can use the same switch. I simply unplug the tilt connection and plug in the winch if needed. Swapping ends involves cutting ties and re-tieing the harness. I could and maybe I will come up with a better solution. I am waiting a bit as I am sure that @LBS-USA will prove up on something much better that I can copy:D
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  8. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    I like the fact that Warn winch uses synthetic rope. Won't rust, won't kink, won't get those burrs that wire rope gets, and if there should be an accidental breakage under load the synthetic rope won't do much damage when it snaps.
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  9. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority Supporter

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    Synthetic is the Snizzle for winch cable/rope!

    Here is a replacement cable on Amazon and you can even get it different colors!!

    https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Max-5600-3081-Devils-Winch-x/dp/B00K6BRC9U/?tag=cb-global-20
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  10. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority Supporter

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    Here is my Warn XT-17 winch set up. The bottle of Single Malt is for scale and not part of my kit.

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    I replaced all of the heavy steel hooks and shackles with light weight locking carabiners. The blue webbing strap is for wrapping around tress and the snatch block with a "beener" is mandatory! The biggest problem with my setup is that I have to stow the fairly heavy bag somewhere, again that's where the hitch receiver mounts are nice.
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  11. High Octane

    High Octane Long timer Supporter

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    Me thinks the scotch will be more used than the winch.
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  12. claude stanley

    claude stanley Claude

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    We typically use a receiver front and rear. Good idea is get a winch with power in and power out and remote control is nice too. . A snatch block is also a great item at times as well as some type of 'dead man' to rig up. Just food for thought. .
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  13. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    I don't know what size power cables are used by the Warn Axon 35, but the Harbor Freight winch I have on my rig uses 6-gauge. I'm guessing the Warn cables are in the same neighborhood.

    How do you supply power and ground to these cables? I know you don't like stacking connections on the battery terminals. The starter terminals perhaps?
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  14. TurTal

    TurTal Long timer

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    Best way is to use a fused power distribution block

    A DC inline power analyzer is a nice touch as well
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  15. DRONE

    DRONE Dog Chauffeur

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    LBS-USA uses a Blue Seas aux fuse box for auxiliary power which I think has a 30-amp capacity/circuit. The 6 gauge winch power lines are needed to handle momentary loads of as much as 200 amps. You can't connect those to the Blue Seas box. Maybe run some 6-gauge to a bus bar then connect the winch and the Blue Seas to that?

    Anyway, LBS-USA I'm sure has this figgered.
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  16. TurTal

    TurTal Long timer

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    Blue Seas offers high amp ANL fuses...200a...300a
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    If you just need 2 distribution points you can add your ANL fuse to a high amp distribution 1in 2out...0/4 to 8 gauge block
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    If you need more than 2 distribution points you can build your own multi
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  17. MGV8

    MGV8 Long timer Supporter

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    I aways figured the wire was the fuse. Though it proves exciting when it blows :D
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  18. mikepa

    mikepa SideCzarist Supporter

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    No, winch cabling is independent and direct, relayed, fused!
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