Leaving Kansas for Panama, first time south of the border. Advice?

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by paul.miner, Sep 13, 2014.

  1. bananaman

    bananaman transcontimental

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    So how many days to Yavisa from the Mexico/US border? How much butt time? How many miles?
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  2. paul.miner

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    I didn't keep careful records, but from Wichita, KS to Yaviza and then to Chame, it shows 7393 km logged, and about 93.5 hours moving. I'm sure it also counted the ferry ride. Including the return to Chame, it took about 9.5 days.
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  3. bananaman

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    That's 50 mph.

    iMHO, that's dumb.
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  4. SkizzMan

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    No one travels quite like we'd want them to. :norton
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  5. pax maac

    pax maac Been here awhile

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    So what now? Back to Kansas?
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  6. bananaman

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    I miss Lone Rider's dry quips.
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  7. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    There. Fixt it myself. :D
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  8. PTYCHRIS

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    Brunch was nice...I hope the rain didnt get you....have a good trip back
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  9. PTYCHRIS

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    Hey bananaman
    Saludos from Las Cumbres, PTY......his ride time also included the police checkpoints....between PTY and Yaviza a mínimum of 4 each way, plus the ones before you leave the country, then as we well know the border crossings in Central America....give the man some slack!!!
    Saludos
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  10. mardar

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    Good to meet you on your trip. Have a nice ride back up there.

    Saludos

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  11. coors

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    Bananaman, I don't think he followed your advice :lol3
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  12. paul.miner

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    Unfortunately, some of the best roads are also bad places to stop. So I've been taking a lot of helmet-cam video. Hopefully it'll turn out alright.

    I'm stopped in El Transito, Nicaragua tonight. Had about 13 km of pretty rough road to get there, had to take my time because it was pitch-black.

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  13. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    Looks safe enough to me.


    :fpalm
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  14. bananaman

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    I say it's dumb because:

    On the risk/reward scale, you always want to be <.001. For example, if 1000 riders went this way, you would want only 1 to crash. (I define "crash" as "significant injury requiring lengthy hospitalization, permanent disability, or death.)

    Where risk/reward = .25, I certainly have said Fuck It. For example, on the Haul Road, in Coldfoot, I met a guy on a Buel and a guy on a 1200GS. In the final 50 miles to Dead horse, the Buel rider had wiped out repeatedly, even breaking off his shift lever. The GS rider tore out a sidewall. Both were delayed several days. The road condition reports from them... I did a quick calculation: 2 riders down... 2 out of 2 crashes. 0/2=0.

    Later, in Bolivia and down Ruta 40, guys like Jean Luc were crashing hard. Jean Luck needed to be medevac'd. A few others were destroying their bikes. About 1 in 3 riders were making it without destroying their bikes or being hospitalized. 1/3>.001... My decision to stop in Wiseman, and to avoid Bolivia and much of Ruts 40, was made following the objective info available, and I made my decision while I was

    Calm
    Sober
    and Awake.

    This balls-to-the-eall style of racing to Yavisa? What's the real Risk/Reward?

    (note: entering the Baja 1000 on an 1100GS is different because there are dedicated pit crews every 40ish miles, there are helicopters, and there are plenty of rescuers available. The chances of not crashing are low, but the "reward" is the attempt. Since just lining up is success, I'm obviously crazy, but not dumb.)
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  15. paul.miner

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    Stopped in Mapastepec, Mexico for the night. The border crossings into Honduras and El Salvador were a bitch, again mainly because I didn't have my original title. I suspected they were calling their friends at the next crossing to let them know I was coming, and it was confirmed when I went to El Salvador and was swarmed by "helpers", some who even knew my name. I told them to back the fuck off and went with someone new. There was another GS rider there (two-up?) but didn't have time to talk; I was still pretty pissed about the prior crossing and was determined to just get out of there.

    The crossings into Guatemala and Mexico went quite smoothly. The crossing into Mexico was at Ciudad Hidalgo, but the the TVIP is obtained at a station northwest of Huixtla on highway 200.

    As an aside, I rode my old VFR750 to Deadhorse in 2010. It was a slippery, muddy road, and my street tires didn't give me much grip and I crashed in some mud. It was low-speed so I was fine, but it did rip one of my side cases off and I had to do some rigging. I made it up there anyway, and although the town itself was a letdown (dry? c'mon!), there was a lot of satisfaction in having made it. You've simply measured risk, or rate of success; reward is subjective and difficult to quantify.

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  16. bananaman

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    There are old riders and bold riders but very few old, bold riders.

    An old Bull and a young Bull were walking along a mountain ridge. Down in the valley, the young Bull saw a herd of cows. He said to the old Bull, "Let's run down there and fuck a cow!" The old bull said, "Let's walk down, and fuck them all."
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  17. bananaman

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    Have you read about Ozzy? Or Funklab? Links at the top of the Latin America Ride Report Link Thread stickied to the top of this forum.
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  18. paul.miner

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    "Including my mother?"

    "Especially your mother."

    I have not read about ozzy and funklab, and by the looks of it, it's going to be a bit much for reading on my phone.

    Rode some twisty mountain roads most of today, made it to Nochixtlan, Mexico. Lots more similar roads tomorrow as well. Stopped early today because it looks like storms on the horizon, and I was at a good stopping point.

    Probably headed to Acatlan, Iguala, and Zihuatanejo as my next waypoints.

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  19. TeeVee

    TeeVee His mudda was a mudda!

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    nice bro. glad you're living your dream. don't accept any "military" escorts and stay safe.
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  20. bananaman

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    Ozzy hit a donkey in Mexico. He was paralyzed. Eventually he committed suicide. He was just a kid, maybe 21? His RR is amazing.

    Funklab went over a sand dune cliff. He was paralyzed. He was also just a kid. Maybe 22?