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Discussion in 'Camping Toys' started by ClearwaterBMW, Jun 8, 2007.
oh no, get insulated! I've got an Expedia Downmat that is the bomb.
I understsnd getting one that doesn't self inflate, but why non-insulated?
For me, insulated Static V Lite.
The new pads have multiple chambers that fill with air. They're tight enough that I don't sink "through" the pad and touch the ground, thus keeping me sleeping, literally, on air all night. I don't need the insulation since the air chamber is quite good at insulating me from the ground. Short of an electric heating element, I don't see how one can do better than the new pads.
Older pads that self-inflated (up to a point) relied on foam inside, that drew in air as they expanded from being compressed. That foam added weight and bulk. The new pads have to be blown entirely by mouth (or adaptive pump), and have no added weight or bulk, just their sheer material.
As I understand it, R value is a measure of how well the object (in this case, a sleeping pad) resists conductive heat loss while inflated. Sinking through and touching the ground would cause additional heat loss, but is not how a pad's R value is determined.
While R value sleeping pad calculations won't be standardized until 2020, it is generally accepted that the higher the R value, the less conductive heat loss. And, generally, non insulated pads have a lower R value than insulated pads.
All that said, whether you need an insulated pad (and if so, how much insulation) or not has many factors (ambient temperature, ground temperature, hot or cold sleeper, wind, humidity, quality and type of your other insulation, etc).
I camp in areas where it gets below freezing often. Sometimes I use the pad on the ground, sometimes on a mesh cot. On the cot convective heat loss is another factor as air circulates below it. Having an insulated pad assures me I will stay warm, and I've never found it to be too warm.
My Klymit Static V lite insulated weighs 1.6 ounces more at 19.6 ounces than Klymit's non insulated offering at 18 ounces. Thermarest Neoair Xlite is 12 ounces. To me an ounce or 2 extra makes no difference.
This was my pack heading to Tennessee in June, worked well for me. My Ortlieb soft panniers fit well inside the hard cases which was great, waterproof and easy for grab and go.
It's interesting to me to see the way people load their bikes. A common theme is a honkin' huge bag on the back of the seat. Can't imagine what that does to CG and handling unless it's light and bulky stuff.
Probably quite similar to carrying a passenger?
But usually less weight so maybe not as much effect.
Myself, I removed rear grab handles and rear foot pegs so my Wolfman bags fit better.
Use tank panniers also so no issues for me with stuff on rear seat.
The only thing wrong with my Exped Downmat is the packed size. And maybe the minor hassle of inflation. I'm a side sleeper who appreciates a pad 9 cm thick. I suppose another negative is the price. I paid a lot less than what they are going for today.
I've been told it's possible to pack it into the tiny bag it came in. Haven't tried; I think you'd need a vacuum pump. Side sleeper here too, and the Exped is worth even the current price.
Who says that a honkin' huge bag is heavy
My 35L dry bag holds my tent, sleeping bag, inflatable mattress and freeze-dried food (<8lbs).
If the bag is between the 2 axles (ahead of the rear) there's some change in CG but not much - assuming <50lbs weight.
Good to know on both counts. Thanks!
I've ridden with a big pack on my passenger seat for years and years. It's not a problem at all. It wouldn't be something I would do for technical single track riding but all other riding it's been fine. I have done most of IDBDR (before it was IDBDR), Elk City Wagon Rd., Magruder, Lolo Motorway, Best of Montana, Baja, and many other rides packed heavy and looking cumbersome with no issues..
When I'm riding and camping multiple days I like having things that keep me comfortable in camp. A good night's sleep is a requirement for me.
Loaded for Best of Montana - The red behind the side bag is a rotopax on each side, one with gas & one with fuel.
Elk City Wagon Rd., Magruder, Lolo Motorway
2500 mile street ride to WI via Canada.
With my bikes being on the small side the pack looks even bigger and heavier then if they same stuff was packed on a big bike.
Tell me about Elk City Wagon Road. I was on the Hwy 14 end at Newsome a couple days ago. Where does it go?
I started from Lowell, ID heading S on Selway Rd., connected with the Elk City Wagon Rd. and took it to Elk City, ID. It's been a while since I did that one and there may have been a connecting Rd. between Selway Rd. And Elk City Wagon Rd. I used the ID Gazetteer for routing.
I know the road from the end of the Selway River Road to Elk City is now closed. There's a washout that you can't get a horse around, much less a bike or quad.
Thanks, LB, I'll have to check it out!
Barely knew the gear was there. The bag sticking up on top is my ice chest. It is very light as it only contained dry food. Ice and beer wouldn't be added until I got to camp.
What cooler is that
One with gas and one with fuel..
Is this for a stove that doesn't burn gasoline?
Yeah ive seen them, ive had this one since i was a kid and camped every weekend in colorado with it. one day ill upgrade to a inflatable one.