Lewis and Clark Trail, 8 yrs of it...

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Epic Rides' started by LewisNClark, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. LewisNClark

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    If I lived where you are I'd be looking for this trail....

    when Merither Lewis was traveling from St Louis to the Natchez Trace his route was thru Memphis, Ft Pickering to Colbert Ferry....though not part of the Natchez Trace it was a connecting route from the Mississippi River to the Natchez. Not paved but traces of the trail would most likely still be there. Milepost 355 below on the Natchez would be pretty easy to find on a Natchez Map. Colbert Ferry would also be pretty easy to Google.

    in 1809, Meriwether Lewis, Major James Neelly, John Pernia and Neelly's servant arrive at Colbert Ferry (milepost 327.3) to cross the Tennessee River on their trip north to Nashville, TN. The group paid George Colbert $1 for each horse and rider and fifty cents for each pack-horse to ferry them across the 500 yard wide Tennessee River. Lewis and his travel companions continued into Tennessee and camped for the night just south of present day Collinwood TN, milepost 355 on the parkway. And traveled on to Grinders Mill/Inn where he spent the night and died/committed suicide.
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    Awesome RR and historical info! I rode some of the trail over the years but not like you did! Nice work!
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    richtidebruin Lurking since 2003..

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    Thanks for the reminder. I live near 31W and an Old Stone Bridge (named likewise) that was part of the route. Still, lots of private property now can make tracking the route difficult. In my opinion this makes your accomplishments in bringing the history back to life all the more impressive. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experiences.

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    This is tops on my list to ride when I retire. So it'll probably happen in 2018.
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    If you dont do anything else....check out West Point, Kentucky....the 9 members of the L&C Expedtion lived in the area (Shields, Fields brothers, Charles Floyd(died on the Expedition), Colter, etc. plus Clark and York) all lived just a few miles from each other around West Point/Louisville. Also from West Point was Civil War General Sherman, and for a while Abraham Lincoln family. Also first Confederate Hospital..still there. ...all within 2 or 3 blocks. Private Shields of the Expedition lived next door to Lincolns family.... Amazing little town (current polulation probably 200 people.)
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    EdOriginal Been here awhile

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    One word - Epic for the 4th of July
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    Glad this thread got resurrected, hadn't seen it but just read the first and last few pages and will finish when there's more time. Great work on this LnC, def a worthwhile endeavor.

    When you mentioned Lewis spent part of his youth in Goose Pond, Ga. it rang a bell, there's a dirt route I made years ago from Fla. to N.C. that goes right by there. Like you said it's pretty remote, nice riding too. I photo'd the same sign : )

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    The picture of your bike at the bridge looks familiar too, think we might've used that road, here's a couple others fairly close by.

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    That looks like the road that the monument markers are located on. Pretty sure the last pic of the 4 bikes is just past the Meriwether Lewis old home place, but it is way out in the woods 1/4 to 1/2 mile.

    Thanks for reading along.
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    May have a look next time thru there, thanks.
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    A reader of my book and gps coordinates did sort of an epic "whirl-wind two week tour" of the Lewis and Clark Trail. Pretty grueling two weeks of mostly gravel/dirt roads Ride Report. Thought others would enjoy his pictures, his comments, experience, and excellent photography within his link - Link below...
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    Ed, Thank you for all the hard work you put into the book and waypoints. It was very valuable in plotting my dual sport route from Missouri to Fort Clapsop. With your information I was able to stay as close to the river along gravel and dirt roads as possible and still see the places that interested me the most.

    If anyone is interested, I'm posting pictures and comments with some history on Instagram. I have never used it before but was urged to do it by my family. www.instagram.com/ajayhawkfan/ You don't need to be on Instagram to view.

    Thanks again Ed for all your work.
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    Very cool. I would love to do the trail.
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    The Instagram pictures and commentary were great! I plan on heading out to Great Falls along the route this spring. Thanks for the motivation!!
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    Just north of Great Falls, Montana is the confluence of the Marias and Missouri Rivers that would be a great starting point to do roughly 1/2 the Lewis and Clark Trail, heading west to the Pacific. Actually a little further north is Camp Disappointment (Browning, MT) where Lewis said, "this is the end of our travels", as he gave up that there was no Northwest Passage. There is a 20 foot monument at the Browning site.

    The above island is probably where L&C camped for 12 days scratching their heads trying to decide which fork of the river to take. They named this island "Decision Point", the decision was to decide which fork of the river was a continuation of the Missouri River....they guessed right, mostly based on the muddy waters of the Missouri River versus the clear water coming down the Marias from the Canadian Mountains.

    The below is the Browning marker. In the distance to the top right of this picture is the start of the Upper Missouri River Breaks.
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    Browning Montana monument is on Black Foot Indian Reservation - admittedly very hard to find, but publicly accessible. Full of target practice bullet holes from local Black Foot Indians. To this day there is a hatred from the Blackfoot tribe for killing the teens, Lewis’s crew were simply defending themselves. Lewis’s journal noted, “I felt the wind of the Indians round pass my ear, so I returned fire.” Private Field count not read or write but told Lewis, “knowing our plight I slept with my knife in my hand. When I felt the tug of my rifle being pulled from my side I stabbed the Indian In the heart killing him instantly.”

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    I'm glad that this thread is going again. It inspired me to ride the L&C route from Fort Clatsop to Great Falls a couple of years ago following the trail as closely as I could. Before that I was reading all I could about the Lewis and Clark expedition. Thank you for all of your narrative on the subject. The man below was at Fort Clatsop showing some of the dress the men were using at the time and of course the 69 caliber smooth bore, I believe "Model 1795 Springfield" musket. Correct me if I am wrong about that one. Another Harpers Ferry model was also carried on the expedition but was a smaller 49 caliber.
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    Not a musket specialist by a long shot..but according to Harpers Ferry (the armory that sold Lewis all his muskets for the Expedition) the below is a display of exactly what the Expedition carried.

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    For a 100+ years a debate occurred about Clark's "small" musket. It was supposed to be a little more powerful than a BB gun...but that was all squashed when some historian discovered a Mr. Small a well known gun maker of the era. (Google "William Clark's Small Rifle" for all the details).

    Clark's musket was invented by a Mr. Small creating a lot of confusion over Clark's "small" rifle, that was not actually small but lighter than other musket rifles. I can not imagine shooting a grizzly with a musket. After their first experience Lewis directed the troops to only shoot a grizzly when two soldiers had loaded muskets. It normally took 3, 4 or 5 head shots to bring down a grizzly with a musket. It took around 60 seconds to reload a musket. The famous Lewis "Air Rifle" used to be at the U.S. Army Weapons Museum but they donated it to the Natural History Smithsonian, but it is only on display a few times a year.
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    Back on the Lewis and Clark Trail on a new horse. (Site of Meriwether Lewis' birthplace was my first stop.)

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    The Upper Missouri River Breaks are very difficult to get to. West of the UMRBreaks is the confluence of the Maria and Missouri Rivers...in the fall season the changing colors of the Cottonwood trees are a sight to see. I've ridden every dirt trail I could find to explore the UMRBreaks but the only way to see the 230+ miles of the massive cliff rock formations along the Missouri River is via jon boat or canoes (rentals in Fort Benson). The Fed's have also heavily restricted motorboats....which is good in a river that 2 to 3 feet deep.

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    Views of the area around the Marias River and Upper Missouri River Breaks.
    Fenced in area is a Minute Man Missile Site. Green fields down by the river are the Judith River and Judith River bridge. Judith was the future bride of William Clark.

    American Prairie Preserve is an organized effort of city-folk ranchers trying to preserve the prairie around the UMRBreaks. Sounds like a worthy cause but the majority of the hard working ranchers are against their efforts. APR is buying up and leasing large blocks of land to control wildlife ranges but keeping ranchers from free grazing but opening up grasslands for buffalo.

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