LiveWire a fail... so far

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by Snowbird, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. cybrdyke

    cybrdyke In the Dark

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    Harley doesn't disclose this. They wont say how many they've made or how many they've sold.
    That's why it's so amusing when you read posts about slow sales or "failure". You know its just haters making shit up.
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  2. ctromley

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    OK, anyone seen one on the road, not in a test-day convoy? Californians, I'm looking at you - if it's going to be seen anywhere in the wild, CA is the most likely.

    Anyone seen one at their local HD dealer with non-dealer plates on it? At rider gatherings? Alice's? The Rock Store? Other typical local destinations for day rides?

    If they're selling, they will be seen. Are they?
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  3. dredman

    dredman Dirty Moto-Tourist

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    thought this was an interesting video

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  4. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen Supporter

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    Let's see a flat-track race of Livewires!! Since HD has ruled flat-track for decades lets put about 10 to 15 of them on a 1/2 mile track and see how far it gets. Might be great for a few laps until the juice runs out.
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  5. Snowbird

    Snowbird Cereal Killer

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    I think the reports came from dealers. Like this: "Have you sold one? Can you point us to a dealer who has sold one?" Call another dealer and ask the same questions.
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    rick danger The further adventures of

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    They could have a bunch of amped up (pun) wireless cell phone chargers buried in the track.
  7. Rollin'

    Rollin' does it come in black? Supporter

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  8. ctromley

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    Uh, no. You need to catch up a bit.

    HD was in fact the bike to beat for awhile. Then in the '80s Honda decided to put them in their place. They took an initial season to get the lay of the flat track landscape, so to speak, because flat track is a unique and subtle form of racing. Even in that learning-the-ropes first season they got a win. Then they just flat crushed everyone for three straight seasons. Then the AMA started making rules changes to specifically hobble Honda's effort.

    Too late - the damage was done. In recent years other bikes (based on Kawasaki 650 and Yamaha MT-07 twins, among others) have forced the old Harleys into also-ran status. And these days, Indian seems to be cleaning up.

    Harley dominating flat track was old news a decade ago.
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  9. Andyvh1959

    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen Supporter

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    Ok, sure, Harley has suffered the advances of engine design that has surpassed them for many years in flat track. I'm just saying from a historical point of view it would be fun to see a group of Livewire bikes going at it on the flat track.
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    The only thing you said wrong was Harley, if you would have said lets watch "insert brand" electric bike do some flat track racing. Then it would be cool, haters gonna hate.
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    Monkeyshines Long timer

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    What were the "rules the AMA changed to hobble honda." ?
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    Andyvh1959 Cheesehead Klompen Supporter

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    Look up the history, it is real that the AMA made rules changes to insure HD maintained competitive even though the other brands could easily over take Harley on the 1/2 mile and mile tracks.

    When the Suzuki TL1000 came out, and Steve Morehead tried one with a stock tuned engine on the mile track he said it had too much power for flat track. Tires were an issue then too.

    Harley has a great history in the truly American form of flat-track cycle racing. American flat track is like NASCAR (NASCAR aint got a thing about drafting like flat-track racing), nothing else like it. But AMA assistance with the rules that limited other brands and engine styles from totally trouncing Harley was clearly evident.
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    slartidbartfast Life is for good friends and great adventures Supporter

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    It was a whole slew of stuff but basically limiting cc for bikes that weren't 45 degree v-twins with two vales per cylinder. When that wasn't enough, they hobbled the engines of the more efficient bikes still further and made them add weight. Essentially any technical "innovation" since the 1960's that gave anyone other than Harley an advantage was banned.

    The public wanted to see some competition but also wanted to see American motorcycles winning. I don't blame AMA for ensuring the spectators and enthusiasts got what they wanted.
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    Just asking. You hear this claim alot but never any specifics. Regardless, the XR was a special motorcycle.
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    Restrictor plates first, then an extra 15 lbs. of weight.
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    I almost feel sorry for Harley. Not even the Livewire "supporters" are going to buy one. :lol3
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    slartidbartfast Life is for good friends and great adventures Supporter

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    I'll consider it in about 5 or 6 years: 2 years for Harley to drop the price to $25K and dealers to be clearing them out for $20K, then another 3 or 4 years for the resale value to get down to $10 or $12K. By then there will probably be several good competitors in the $15K region.
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  18. Monkeyshines

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    Harley throwing the kitchen sink at the livewire says the thing is their corvette, GT40 whatever. They'll probably sell a few thousand a year for a decade to help cover costs.
    After riding it, in rush hour traffic especially and thinking about it for a while, in a way the livewire is ill suited as an urban commuter for someone without self control (ahem). After the first chance we had to goose it the guy next to me turned and said "people are going to get killed on these things". And he had a maniacal grin on his face. I'd need to take this somewhere that I could rip around on it saferly.
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  19. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    5 years old battery doesn't hold value nearly as well as 5 years old engine.
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    Hard to feel sorry for them if they didn't see it coming though. For me anyway.
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