LiveWire a fail... so far

Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by Snowbird, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. Traxx

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    What would be overpriced?
  2. Rollin'

    Rollin' does it come in black? Supporter

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    When they call it a Halo bike...duh
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  3. Traxx

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    Come on now, you know what I was asking. But to play that game, How much would be overpriced? Give me a number.
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    I’ll play. Anything over about $22K would be over-priced, depending on equipment. ...and that would be premium priced IMO. More reasonable for a new, untested model would be $18K.
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    If that Pan American comes in at anything north of $15K it'll bomb.
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  6. Rollin'

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    Back to the Livewire first...Harley calls it a "halo" bike but to the rest of the world its just another electric motorcycle.
    What's premium about the Livewire other than the price? Harley trained dealer staff and installed expensive DC chargers and wasn't hoping to sell these bikes?
    Harley needed a halo bike for what? To get people to come to the dealer to see their new bicycles?
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  7. BackRoader

    BackRoader Life Is A Hiway, Ride It.

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    Pulled this off ADV FB this morning.
    It must be an amazing site to see them arriving in downtown nowhere South America with an entire support team in tow.
    Should be an epic saga, swapping out bikes every hour or so for a fully charged one, or sitting around a cantina waiting for the solar panel to get the bike back up to full charge?
    In any event it should be an interesting adventure.
    Fact: there will be a spot in the HD museum set up for those bikes!

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  8. Traxx

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    LOL. Answer the damn question.
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  9. Mattbastard

    Mattbastard Lazy ass

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    So I never read the thread on Long Way Up, but I thought them taking Livewires was a joke.

    Busiest.... Chase vehicle..... ever!
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  10. Traxx

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    Why? Is it because it has harley on the side or because it is an electric?
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    BackRoader Life Is A Hiway, Ride It.

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    Maybe a little of both.... it’s been some time since Harley has made major changes to their bikes and it’s relatively new technology being put to the test. ( test I say loosely as I have no idea if they taking the bikes into tough terrain or simply riding the “road”)
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  12. Traxx

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    I believe that even some of the "roads" there would be a challenge.
    From what I have read here and there, it isn't much different than when they did the long way round. 4 support vehicles and a crew to keep the bikes (BMW) going. With the Rivian in the mix it is making a good case for EV's in situations that the normal person will not ever see. The thought of "If it can do all that then it can handle more than I can throw at it" will start popping up. I really don't care what the name on the side of the bike is, I am glad that it is electric.
  13. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    Most people aren't even aware that electric motorcycles exist. That's for what.
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    Since before I was born Harley can't seem to release anything new without a plethora of recalls and home-grown repairs to keep their bikes on the road.

    Evo: Cam bearings (that's all I can think of since I was really young)
    Twin Cam: Cam chain tensioners, outer cam bearing, inner cam bearings,
    M8: crankcase sumping and trans oil transfer

    I think the V-Rod was the only Harley release that didn't tip the scales in favor of this.

    Of course, I highly doubt this documentary would cover any of the repairs on video.
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  15. Traxx

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    Okay, then it is the name on the tank.

    Would you have been more interested if it had a Zero SR/F or DSR?
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    Yes, I would have been WAY more supportive and interested if it were a Zero. Simply for the fact that Ewan and Charlie would have not been bought by Zero to use their bikes for the documentary. It would have been a choice solely on the merit of the motorcycle.

    For what it's worth, I'm speculating my ass off here. Until someone actually owns a Livewire for an extended period of time and reports back with issues, my head is up my ass on the subject.

    I really wish Harley the best in their future, but they're really pissing up a rope playing in the E-bike game. Especially for their asking price of one. :imaposer
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  17. Geoff

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    Agreed. But knowing Harley, pricing will be closer to the GS, starting at $19,945 MSRP.
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  18. liberpolly

    liberpolly Nu, shoyn, nudnick!

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    I disagree. Most people have never heard of Zero and would not be compelled to buy it even after watching the show. Riding electric Harleys on such widely viewed show, brings electric bikes into the public conscience, and from there people can start comparative shopping.
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    This is the shit that really pisses me off about Harley. They think, "Oh, we're Harley and our bikes COMMAND a premium so we're gonna ask higher prices and people will pay for it because they're getting a Harley..."

    Even more ice on that cake is now that they're debuting alternate models to their current product line trench (yes, it's a trench) and the competitive bikes' MSRP's are automatically the Harley MSRP's even though Harley is just now jumping into the pool.

    Last I checked, when China started pumping out small standards they didn't ask the same as a competitive Japanese motorcycle. Wayyyyyy cheaper.
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    So, where is the MSRP on the new line? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere other than speculation. Looks like you pissed before it even get here. That's a sucky way to live. Specially on a brand you will never buy.
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