Loncin DS8 (Chinese bike with 652cc Rotax single)

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  1. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/loncin-reveals-650cc-adventure-bike

    LONCIN REVEALS 650CC ADVENTURE BIKE
    BMW G650GS-engined single shown in China

    AS well as revealing its new 500cc parallel twin, Chinese firm Loncin has unveiled a single-cylinder adventure tourer using the 652cc motor that used to power BMW’s G650GS and the earlier F650single models, not to mention the Husqvarna TR650.

    It’s not the first time Loncin has shown a bike with that engine. Back in 2012 it revealed the LX650 street bike with the same power plant. Having previously built the engine on BMW’s behalf, it’s an engine Loncin is more that familiar with.

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    The frame is a tubular steel arrangement, with an aluminium swingarm at the back and USD forks up front. ABS is clearly fitted, as are the side reflectors needed to pass European regs these days.

    Engine specs show the bike’s power to be 50hp, with 37lbft of torque at 5,500rpm. Those numbers are much the same as the old BMW G650GS, as you’d expect. The bike’s wet weight is pegged at 198kg.




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    In terms of equipment, there’s a manually-adjustable screen and a rather basic set of LCD instruments, and details like the dash-mounted USB charging socket will be appreciated.


    Big question marks still hang over prices, production plans and availability outside China, but it’s easy to imagine a bike like this, with a low enough price tag, proving popular.



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  2. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    Initial thoughts.

    Got to love globalism. We are almost done with the first 5th of the century, and China is pouring on the Coals with MCs. Well, not really, they are into solor panels now. Bad play on words.

    In 2011 or so, these engines were made in China for the newly released G650GS, and it looks like these guys built them. Interesting.

    I've never ridden the 652cc, but most Inmates post she is smooth for a Thumper of that displacement.

    She kind of has a Versys 650/DUCATI Mul. Stra. vibe going. But what's with the long travel on her? {{Edit}} The bike has a 19", so more V-Strom.
    198kgs is KLR mass, which is fine. 437lbs is fine for 48-50 horses.
    I like the dual disc break. The XTZ660 had those.

    Maybe she will be exported to North America and we can start to get some dealerships here!
    $4,999-$5,999 MSRP would be kind of crazy if the bike was sold at a dealership.

    I think the bike would be well received in North America.
    The RX3 250 is nearly 400lbs and is way under powered.
    But there is little need to send her here. ~40% of the world's population is in China and South Asia (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan). Sales Revenue would not be anything close.

    Looks like a 19" front.
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    I've said it before, the Chinese are going to build unicorns.
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  4. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    You also posted that the Cyclone 250 was under powered, and North America needed some more beans. At least a 400, or something like that. I agree.

    I think this single can deliver.
    For the East and South Asian folk, the DS8 will move quickly down the road, and should be good to go for most Western Folk.
    Not a highway commuter by any means.
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  5. ex250mike

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    I welcome the competition. That said, if the chinese want to compete in the west they need to BEAT what is available in the west. Being a cheaper low quality option won't pay off in the long run.

    Japan, BMW and KTM are already proving they can make cheap bikes that are still good quality. The chinese can't win based on price alone.
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    BMW and KTM are cheap? On what planet?
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    I wouldn't be surprised if in another 10-20 years the Chinese surpass the Japanese. We'll see Kawasaki and Suzuki merge, Honda and Yamaha will still remain hanging on by a thread using dated technology.
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  8. ex250mike

    ex250mike Long timer

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    They both have bikes made in India for entry level markets. About the same price as the Thai made honda/kawasaki's.
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    I've yet to see any KTM or BMW priced anywhere near it's Japanese competitors. Ever. Regardless of make or model.
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  10. The_Precious_Juice

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    But in the long run, they (China) will bridge the gap just like Japan did back in the 1950s and 1960s. In 1949, China made the play call to have a mini dark age, Japan went the other direction and later joined the core nations of the world.
    China will catch up in the next 10-20 years on cages and MCs, it's a lock.
    In the late 1970s, their leadership started to make some radical changes toward industry. So, they are just behind a few decades, no big whoop.

    I agree that BMW and KTM are delivering cheap bikes with good quality. The 313cc and 373cc come to mind. :thumbup
    The Duke 390 has a sick amount of quality for the MSRP.

    At the heart of the DS8 is the 652cc Rotax. The most important thing about a MC is the engine.
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    Rated @ 50 hp/37 lbft it sounds like it doesnt have the TR650 engine, but the base GS motor as they noted.
    That is too bad, the TR650 engine is quite nice at 75-80 mph on the highway.
    The Husky fairy dust they sprinkied in the TR version of the engine REALLY would be better in the street oriented form of this DS8.
    I hate to see the development of that engine not be used, it is a true upgrade on the basic GS engine.
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    Cuttlefish Riding to disappear.

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    Hopefully without the potential for real dust that could be sprinkled in the engine due to the tr650's poor airbox construction.
    :(
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  13. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    Fair enough.

    However, for those coming from a 435lbs KLR with 5.8 gallons on fuel on board, the GS motor will offer 12-15 horses more, and maybe even more fuel economy, and maybe even smoother.
    That's not a baby step, that's a big boy step.
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  14. WoodWorks

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    Maybe you need to get out more:

    BMW G310R US$4750
    Honda 250 Rally US$5149
    Kawasaki Versys-X US$ 5399

    All official US MSRP prices.
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    And the price of the KTM?

    Maybe I don't need to get out more...
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    Dunno. Don't care. Not interested in a KTM. But you said you had never seen a BMW priced "anywhere near it's Japanese competitors." I showed you one. Now you've seen it.
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    Duke 390 msrp USD5299 up 300 from last year
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    Upon closer inspection, she has a 19" so it looks like they are going after the V-Strom family and the more touring MCs. Good choice! Since 2002, Suzuki has sold plenty of those.

    110/80-19 và 150/70-17.

    Looks like a skid plate and center stand is standard, not sure.


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    Little bit more ponies and weight than the original Funduro.
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  20. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice The Virginian

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    He should get something like this

    "amazingly flat torque curve climaxes around 5000 rpm with a 37.1 ft-lb peak at the rear wheel, with max horsepower coming in 2000 revs later at a gentle 44.2-horse gallop. Its stepless power curve isn’t particularly invigorating, but it gets the job done well enough to wheeze through the 100-mph mark if given enough road. The single-lung motor is built in China under BMW supervision then shipped to Germany where the rest o f the G650 is built. The understressed engine is a proven design, so we have no reason to question its durability."



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    Other than a slight dip around 3100 rpm, the G650’s Rotax-designed Thumper produces a super-linear powerband that delivers predictable grunt across its rev range.



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    The TR650 or Strada had easily 4 more horses and was lighter.

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