Here is a picture I took of GSteve's 640A next to my bike. I had it out test riding it before it was shipped to him and couldn't resist taking a picture of it. I lowered it front and rear close to 2.75". I could sit on it totally flat footed and I am about 5'10". I tippy toe with my bike with a low Renazco seat. Steve's bike has a full height Renazco on it. With leather, not suede. The leather is bad ass! Anyway it was cool to get to ride a low one. I have done the low lowrider treatment for a few people but I never got to ride the end result. If I didn't offroad my 640 as much I would lower mine at least 1 inch. I just don't want to give up the ground clearance for some of the riding I do. But for a long adventure ride on dirtroads or the 3rd world I would seriously consider it.