let me rephrase the surron brakes are fine on flat trails and random short braking. But on long decents (like when i run my sur ron down a flow trail that is a downhill mtb type trail) i get serious brake fade. It can be fixed with better pads and a bigger rotor on front i bet, I will try that next visit. I dunno maybe if the X controller on the newer surrons added some regen braking that could also do the trick, i dont know since i dont have that. yeah and you are right all i would be doing is trying to find tech trails on a surron in desert areas, waste of time. KTM it is (and 350 is fine for me, I am not a speed demon). sur ron is a strange creation. I would say its 2/3 motorbike and 1/3 downhill mountain bike - but it is neither. it is fun.