Mexico homicide rate waaay up

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  1. Migolito

    Migolito Prognosticator and MotoYogi

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    Interesting. I wonder if there is anyone at Fox News that can read Spanish? The very article they cite under their large provocative headline:
    "Mexico's annual homicide count on pace to be highest in decades as nearly 100 killed daily" "is there a need for more border security?" roughly translated, among other things, states: "In the balance sheet, it is important to specify that the number of victims of manslaughter in October 2019 (2,866) is already 6.8% lower than the historical maximum of July 2018 (3,074). This is relevant because it suggests that the levels of homicidal violence are already well below those registered as the highest peaks in the recent history of Mexico during the last summer of the administration of Enrique Peña Nieto (2012-2018)." You can go read it for yourself (and have Google translate it if you'd like). https://www.gob.mx/sspc/prensa/se-c...en-el-homicidio-doloso-secretariado-ejecutivo
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    Foxnews......
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    Just for a frame of reference; The US annual murder number in 2017 (not rate) is about 17,000 with a population of 350 million. Mexico's annual murder number is between 34,000 and 38,000 annually with a population of 130 million.
    I believe we need to cite facts so we can make informed decisions in our trip planning, whether it's Mexico, Iran or Canada.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/mexicos-murder-rate-hit-record-high-in-2018-11564079972
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/murder-rate-mexico-soars-record-190801180828901.html
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-record-in-first-half-of-2019-idUSKCN1UG0QS
    https://nypost.com/2019/07/05/mexico-murder-rate-spirals-out-of-control-hitting-94-killings-a-day/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48012923
    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/23/6875...icide-rate-in-2018-tops-33-000-investigations
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    Exactly what cut-off for the murder rate do you find acceptable to make it safe enough to visit a place?
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    Migolito Prognosticator and MotoYogi

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    Thats a decision every Adv rider must make individually. Ive simply provided some relevent information (some have requested such info in prior posts) to help assist folks in that decision. Many folks I know head south in the winter, particularly during Thanksgiving.
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    Breitbart covers the cartel carnage very well. They have some contacts there, etc. The numbers are quite alarming and sometimes civilians get caught in the crossfire. You are expendable there is you inadvertently come between the factions. And this does not count the "normal" crimes. State Department website also has some level of warning for much of Mexico, see their maps.
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    Wonder what the figures would be were we not to have such a salacious apatite for drugs?
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    You're right on. No demand, no money no cartels.
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    Just an FYI folks, the number 1 industry for border cartels is not drugs...it's people smuggling.
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    Totally agree. I’m perplexed in general by people who use illegal drugs of any kind, but even more so when they opine that it’s a victimless crime.
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    But do you think the people are fleeing because of the drug cartels?
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    I think people are leaving for the same reasons that people have always left their home. Violence is just part of the equation, not all of it. Otherwise St louis would be a ghost town. Btw, murder rate in mex holds consistently at about 20, while St. L is about 60.
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    Fauxnews....
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    There will always be demand for drugs. The question is, why make them illegal at all? Legalize and control in the same manor as the legal ones (alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, etc.)

    But of course, then the cartels will just move onto limes, avocado's, "protection", etc. Mucho complicatedo.
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    Were you planning on coming down here to sell drugs? You will live in Mexico to a ripe old age if you don't.

    And watch out for trees, cliffs, trucks and topes, that will also help.
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