Missing American Rider in Mexico

Discussion in 'Americas' started by fredgreen, Feb 9, 2014.

  1. DC950

    DC950 Microadventurer

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    I was thinking the same thing and sadly, that's what I was afraid would happen to Ozymandias when he started his trip.
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  2. FlowBee

    FlowBee Just me.

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    Some pinhead made the mods rename that thread in lieu of a threat of legal action. :csm Still, same thread.

    Having lived in Chicagoland for most of the last decade I feel you're doing yourself a disservice. The same goes for eastern Michigan. It's all about the specific neighborhood and time of day - local knowledge, situational awareness, and common sense. The "Mexico" thread shows this. Juarez is not all of Mexico, nor is Michoacan or Reynosa.

    Then again, it's your call and we all need to respect that. You have to live with your decisions to do or not do something.
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  3. PlznMySoul

    PlznMySoul Been here awhile

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    Hmm let me add to your list....>

    MIAMI
    Opa Loka
    Carol City
    Movie Theaters :huh

    NEW YORK
    Brooklyn
    Bronx
    Harlem

    St. Louis
    Little Rock, Arkansas

    CALIFORNIA
    LA
    Compton
    Chino

    I'm sure we can go on and on.

    My point is....Every place has an area or areas that one should be careful and at times avoid during certain times of the day, week or all together. This incident does not reflect the entire Country. If this was the case, then I will never go to a movie theater in Florida.
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  4. PlznMySoul

    PlznMySoul Been here awhile

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    +1
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  5. canoeguy

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    Eh, you don't get to choose where misfortune finds you. Granted you can learn about the dangers and minimize the risk.

    Everyone has there limit of risk they are willing to take.

    Me, I will be in Mexico in about two months, and I will be glad I did when I am climbing on top of a pyramid. We don't have many of those here in Virginia.
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  6. Jproaster

    Jproaster I work too much

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    Ohh. Where are the ones you have :rofl

    Im hittin Mexico in late fall myself.
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  7. theshnizzle

    theshnizzle Long timer

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    Where did you read that? Any locals can confirm this?
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  8. MikeMike

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    Ever stop to think about those of us that live here and ride here every day?
    How is that we can do it and American riders such as yourself feel you cannot? That there is some big risk involved? So few riders, especially those north of the border, ever stop to ponder this.

    Mexico is as safe as any other place.

    The learning curve is much steeper.

    There is no 9-1-1 that is reliable.

    There are no park rangers coming to rescue you.

    There are often no guard rails to keep you from sailing over the edge.

    There is the simple fact that it is a nation that does not suffer fools.

    There is also the fact that if you go looking for trouble here, you will find it much quicker and much bigger than you could ever imagine possible.

    Some of us live here, we ride on and off road, some of us ride every day or almost every day, in places throughout the Republic of Mexico.

    Most of us stay out of trouble areas whenever possible.

    Most of us keep ourselves up to date with information whenever possible.

    Few of us would be riding in areas where military escorts are needed. Riders in those areas are either local delivery guys, or people using a small bike as primary transport to come and go from work.

    Try to stick to facts instead of speculation or voicing paranoia that stems from being ignorant about the country of Mexico.

    These kinds of threads go to hell in a handcart really quick when speculation begins, especially like on the other thread about this when cartel speculation began by someone with zero knowledge about how things really are here.

    Now that there is a Spanish language bulletin that can be circulated, it is easier to get the word out down here to riders who live here and can help to get a good ending to all of this. Mil gracias, Kiko!
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  9. Hikertrash

    Hikertrash Wasted Rock Ranger

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  10. acejones

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    If you really want to see dangerous places try the US Congress or the US State Department. They have so many nut cases there the places are surrounded by armed guards.
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  11. nevermind

    nevermind way off track, in the weeds

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    LOL!!! :clap
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  12. Merlin III

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    Any place where there is a dysfunctional government, a lot of poverty, and a vibrant drug trade, has an element of danger about it. It is all about risk assessment and it is an individual choice as to what your tolerance is.

    The area in question in this case certainly has a known risk potential. All one has to do is read the news about that area of Mexico (Michoacan) to be informed how potentially dangerous it is.

    Harry was also a relatively "New rider". We all know how important experience is when riding a MC especially when riding alone. My thoughts go out to his family and girlfriend.
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  13. canoeguy

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    Excellent post and well put. We can't blow the danger out of proportion nor can we gloss it over.
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  14. acejones

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    The first paragraph described many US cities.
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  15. some call me...tim

    some call me...tim Been here awhile

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    On another, unrelated forum I used to frequent, there was a Scandanavian guy (Finnish, I believe) who wrote at length about how he never wanted to visit the US because the amount of crime, guns, and drugs present throughout. He was in most respects a seemingly intelligent guy, but seemed like he'd learned all he knew about America from watching The Wire or Deliverance. In any case, it just goes to show that an image of a country can skew wildly if you've never seen it in person.
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  16. cobrags

    cobrags Lost ADVR

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    I hope he is okay and I feel for his family.
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  17. The Walrus

    The Walrus Gone and back again.

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    Gracias Kiko, well stated and worth quoting.

    One question, I don't believe that I can update myself with information from the US State Department, they don't want me to go anywhere. What should a non Mexican read to learn where and when to stay away from?
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  18. Roadscum

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  19. Merlin III

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    Here is the warning for Harry's area where he was last seen: Michoacán: Morelia is a major city/travel destination in Michoacán - Defer non-essential travel to the state of Michoacán except the cities of Morelia and Lázaro Cardenas where you should exercise caution. Flying into Morelia and Lázaro Cardenas is the recommended method of travel. Attacks on Mexican government officials, law enforcement and military personnel, and other incidents of TCO-related violence, have occurred throughout Michoacán. Due to criminal activity in Lazaro Cardenas, in late 2013 the Mexican military assumed direct control of the port. In many areas of the state, self-defense groups operate independently of the government. Armed members of the groups frequently maintain roadblocks, and although not considered hostile to foreigners or tourists, are suspicious of outsiders and should be considered volatile and unpredictable. Groups in Michoacán are reputed to be linked to TCOs.
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  20. StmbtDave

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    Must have been important to warrant a triple post.
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