Montana was on lockdown, now opening up in phases ... 5/22 update

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  1. Olde Phart

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    That's right ... read the PDF ...

    But, can one still ride? Perhaps, maybe, kinda, 'sorta, yes, no, maybe so:

    For outdoor activity. To engage in outdoor activity, provided that individuals comply with social distancing, as defined below, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, running, or biking. Individuals may go to public parks and open outdoor recreation areas, including public lands in Montana provided they remain open to recreation. Montanans are discouraged from outdoor recreation activities that pose enhanced risks of injury or could otherwise stress the ability of local first responders to address the COVID-19 emergency (e.g., backcountry skiing in a manner inconsistent with avalanche recommendations or in closed terrain).

    Damn, that's a loophole big enough to throw Jon Tester through. :photogAs long as the gas stations are still open, I'll be on my way to/for/from essential services ... and that includes getting beer.

    Good discouraging discouragement to ya!
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    Rocky Mountain Motos On a long leash

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    I say, let's ride!
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    I believe the keyword in that statement is: "Discouraged".
    Based on this, you're good to go.
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    What ever happened to "and never is heard a discouraging word"? At least the gun and ammo stores will be open.....Gov probably felt like someone was scratching a chalk board when signing.
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    When our Governor announced our "lock down of non-essential business" there was a mad rush to the liquor store. I stocked up the garage fridge and a spare bottle of Irish whiskey. Later it was announced, liquor stores are considered essential ! The liquor stores had already set up proper social distancing checkout lines.

    Fortunately Montana is a sparsely populated state, which will help. Good luck to you all. I cannot imagine living in a place like NY City.

    Here travel is not prohibited, but discouraged. A safe easy remote social distancing ride may be necessary this weekend as treatment for cabin fever.
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    Sounds like the speed limits in the 70's. Drive in a safe and prudent manner. An 18 YO with a 351 Cleveland, Holley 4 barrel, Hurst shifter with 4 on the floor and a Muncy tranny and Edelbrock headers and low rise manifold? :imaposer
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  7. Olde Phart

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    The good guv has extended things out to April 24 ... linky.

    Sign of the times:

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    Good robust immune systems to ya!
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  8. Olde Phart

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    Well, things are now going to be opened up ... in phases that is and all with Physical Distancing and other sanitation guidelines, blah, blah, blah... As per the good Guv:

    As a result of the actions we have taken, we have among the lowest number of COVID-19 cases in the nation. Montana also has the lowest number of hospitalizations, per capita, in the nation.We have slowed the spread of this virus and saved lives. These collective actions have allowed us to get to where we are today –to begin a phased reopening of the state.​

    The above is a political statement, not a scientific statement mind you as there is no way to prove a negative or said another way you cannot claim that because you did X, Y didn't happen. You can read the sundry details here:


    The "Stay at Home" directive for individuals ends 4/26 for individuals and the "Non-essential Business" closure directive ends 4/27. Schools may open 5/7 at their local board discretion. Restaurants, etc. may open for dispersed seating service 5/4 but "last call" will be for 11:30pm(??????) all as a part of Phase 1. No dates on Phase 2 or Phase 3.

    The BMW MOA National Rally in late June in Great Falls appears to still be in a holding pattern ... just how much fun a rally could be under mandatory physical distancing remains to be seen.

    So, it looks like we'll kinda sorta maybe will be the first test "releases" along with Georgia to see if the doom porn types are right in that it'll just make the invisible death come roaring right back. As for myself, I'm ready ... I'm in my early 60's, have no physical ailments, take no medications, eat a Keto diet and have been prepping my system with good vitamins, natural vitamin C fruits, selenium with brazil nuts and shots of zinc with Zycam. The wife is deceased, all my legal stuff like Will, Living Will, Powers of Attorney, etc. are finalized and registered and the kids know what to do when I take the big dirt nap.

    If/When I get it, I'll give reports about it over and above my usual posting BS. If/When I stop posting, you'll know it got me and I've taken that last long ride on a short trail ... until then, Mark Twain said it best:

    "The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time."

    Good no fear full livin' and ridin' to ya!
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  9. _CJ

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    There are currently 37 people hospitalized for C19 in Montana. Tell me again about how people need to stop enjoying life so the "first responders and medical staff" can attend to C19 patients?
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    OK folks, time for an update and a place marker in both time and space for our collective public consumption and analysis ... Montana restaurants are now 50% (spacing) open, the schools (at their discretion) are open, etc. all with continuing social alienation policies in place and today we have:

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    That's right, 0 new cases. Nothing. Null. Goose egg. Nada. Zippo. Simply amazing and unpossible if you consume the MSM pablum being foisted on the nation every waking hour.

    So now that we are being allowed, permitted, graced, blessed, anointed, whatever you want to call it other than constitutional ... with renewed freedom of association, travel and commerce among consenting individuals, the finger wagging, mask demanding screaming Karens all say that we are doomed and have an imminent spike in cases just waiting to bust out and do us all in. We'll see. I'm not going to hold my breath and don't recommend that others do either.

    If/When we do start spiking up (or not), I'll post it 'cuz I'm all about reality and not about speculation. We will be a test case to watch so stay tuned here for updates and all. In the mean time, the passes are opening up, the snow pack is melting and filling the river drainages, the mud is starting to dry up and hard working honest folks trying to get back to making a living back in their private establishments, providing for their dependents and I'm going riding and support them by stopping in for a burger and a beer along the way ...

    Good springtime and enjoying the incredible lightness of motion that is the motorcycle to ya!
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    And life goes on... :thumb

    Things are so much better when making decisions based on local conditions instead of solely focusing on NYC based news feed.

    Businesses here in northern Arizona are starting to reopen. I base my opinions based on FatWife's experiences working at the cardiac cath lab at our local hospital. They are back at usual patient case capacity with plenty of available capacity and supplies in case the demand increases.
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  12. Olde Phart

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    Update time ... it's been a week since my last one. More folks out and about, roads are busier and more and more out of state plates are in evidence, particularly from Washington (Der fuhrer Inslee refugees probably).

    About 25% of folks in the area are wearing masks and are usually our more senior citizens. The restaurants in town have had busy parking lots for the last week but the good guv's protocols still deny any service a the bar still. Everyone also has to be chased out of all establishments by 11:30pm which is a head-scratcher for me unless the 'Rona is being confused with the Mogwai ...???

    The latest stats are:

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    I've boxed in the daily cases since my previous posting and while not zero, they are still onesy-twosey here and there. Since the COVID-19/WuhanFlu/CCPVirus generation times are roughly 5 days let's see what happens in another week. Fauci continues to believe and vociferously defend his contention that people going about their regulars lives must result in more outbreaks so another week or two here should start to show if he is full of facts or feces.

    The BMWMOA rally has now been postponed and pushed out to next year as have sundry other festivals and gatherings around the state.

    In the meantime, riding is great, snow levels are receding (although we did get about 4" of slop in town yesterday - didn't last long) and the coming rains promise to clean the residual dust and spooge off the roads.

    Good livin' and ridin' to ya!
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    My, my, my, time does fly ... here is yet another update and this is an interesting one. Montana went out of "lockdown" and into Phase 1 back on 5/4 for restricted inside restaurant seating and opening up of businesses that had been closed down since late March and early April. Today's date now puts us a tad over two and a half weeks time since folks started mixing back together and well into the one to two week asymptomatic infection/transmission period where those who will get sick from Covid-ola exposure should be showing it.

    So, how are we doing? Still pretty good:

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    The boxed in section shows the cases by day since the beginning of Phase 1 loosening and we're still able to count 'em all using just fingers and having a few left over. That taller bump on the right came from Ravalli county which from an ADV point of interest is home to Stevensville, Hamilton, Darby and the entry points to the Skalkaho Highway and the Magruder Corridor Road that one picks up south of Darby.

    Still nothing particularly alarming here as no Wave II is in evidence yet (and I'm happy about that) and bodes well for Phases II & III where things should be back to as normal or the "New Abby-Normal" as it were ...

    In my nice little part of the world, the annual Lincoln Bike Rally put on by the X chromosome powered Tenacious Dames has had the plug pulled on it until next year. Damn!! It was to feature the all female AC/DC cover band Hell's Belles for music too. Double damn, what's not to like about mixing it up with beer and rockin' biker babes?!?! :beer :super :strum :wings Maybe next year (and that is the plan at this point) ...

    So the societal news continues to be good even though the economic hits to our small towns keep on coming. Hope many of these honest hard working folks can hang on until things get better. Until then, time to ride and stop in for a bite and a brew and tip double to help these good people out.

    Good ridin' and livin' to ya!
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    To be fair, I just don't think Montana has enough people in close enough proximity, or enough population at all, that opening or closing makes much of a difference. Here in Colorado on the other hand, the ol' Wutang virus is still humming along without much decline in rate of infection at all. I'm seeing fewer masks now, so I expect to see a tick up in infections, but the county I'm in at least is reporting outbreaks as they occur.
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    We were all told that the goal was to flatten the curve to avoid overwhelming the hospitals which are now pretty much past that possibility and that was successful. Does that mean that reopening society should now wait until either the vaccine is widely available at some unknown time in the future or new infections everywhere drop to zero or we all drop into an economic depression too awful to imagine?

    At what point should we agree that it is time to move forward and start recovering? It is easy to say that it is not the time to do so now where someone chooses to live, but when is an abundance of caution too much caution where others choose to live? The risks are different in different places. How bad must other's situations be until everyone is comfortable with their own? The answer to that question has many grave consequences. Everyone has the option to stay locked in their own bunker long into the future. What right is there to tell others to stay locked in their's when their risk is different? Montana's situation is different as are many other parts of the country.

    Like every epidemic in the past, there will be decreasing waves of infection. No one would say this will be different. But we now seem to be at the tipping point where the ongoing cure is worse than the disease.
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    Ya know, one of the primary reasons I truly like being part of and associating with the motorcycling community is that anyone who has been part of it for a handful of years or more has a better ability to assess risk than the general population. If not, they've bailed or turned into a blood 'n guts slick on a road somewhere.

    I see the rest of the world being much more risk averse and even worse yet, risk phobic to the point of passing off their individual responsibilities to proxies expecting others to "do something" that they are unwilling or incapable of doing themselves. This makes them exploitable by fear. Fear is a powerful emotion and those who seek power and control can sense it very well. When they do sense it, they will use it as leverage for their own purposes while cloaking it in a false cover of "caring." It has gotten to the point that I just cannot turn on the tube anymore it bothers me so much ... I don't see angels, I see demons extolling us to do what is unnatural for a social species and a healthy (physically and mentally) societal structure lest something bad befall us and seemingly no end in sight to it either.

    I saw this on another site and have purloined it for use here:

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    Indeed. We are still all subject to the natural environment and under the rule of "Survival of the fittest," not "Survival of the safest." The business of government is to secure our liberty not our safety. Safety is an individual responsibility, not a collective one. I hope the silver lining to this dark cloud is that more folks realize this, leather up and work to make it a better world instead of trying to turn everything into a padded room 'cuz I don't want to live like that.

    This is the time to be strong, get healthy, exercise, eat better food, lose weight, spend more wisely and get your own self in shape to prepare for the eventual exposure to the 'Rona because just like the exploiters and nannys won't go away, neither will it. It is up to you to overcome them all!

    Good life, liberty and property to ya!
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! It's a bad drug!

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    It's the old dollars vs lives thing. Nothing new there. WE are boomers, so the "boomer remover" virus is a part of our daily lives now. We are not going to crawl into a hole and hide. But we are trying to be careful. We will try to not infect you, and we will try to not be infected by you. So we wear masks when in close proximity to others. Its just the responsible and courteous thing to do. Seems like we were successful to flatten the curve, we still need to buy time. We need to buy time to develop an understanding of this virus, and some successful treatments. I don't hold a lot of hope for a cure anytime soon. But I know most people are self centered, irresponsible and inconsiderate. So that said, I will need to be extra careful when I'm out and about. Something like this. I will get take out, I will go camping, ride my bike, go fishing, or what ever I decide to do. I doubt very much I will go to crowded places. I never liked crowds before anyway, and I like them less now. And since I don't expect others to be respectful or considerate, or responsible, I will have to do more of that for myself. Too bad, since going out is my wife's favorite pastime.
    Oh by the way...….. We had take out the other night. If your in Grand Lake, The Rapids restaurant is on the river. They are open for take out. There are tables on the river ( they can't serve you) But sitting on the rivers edge would work. A new menu item is Duck pulled sandwich. It was really good.:dukegirl
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    I find it interesting that in the beginning the method of exposure was touching surface with the virus and then touching you face. Mask were not necessary because of the fact the virus is not airborne.
    Now transmission by touching surface is not s significant means of spreading the virus. Now masks are needed to prevent you from spreading the virus.
    Social distancing, close almost all business, so we can crowd everyone into just a few open essential stores. Months later then think about limiting the number of customers allowed in any essential business. Now you don't hear don't touch you face much anymore.

    I think we need to correct a term; "common sense" should be "uncommon sense", since there is so little of it.
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    The initial directives that a mask wasn't necessary was total BS but understandable because they were needed for the healthcare workers. You could see that one a mile away. Touching your face still applies since it's one of the easiest ways to introduce germs into the body, that's just basic infection control measures. That and the mask thing was known long before covid19 came around. Right now proximity to infected persons is one of the most likely methods of infection. As more is learned about the paths to infection the directives will be revised. We'll know more after basketball season starts back up :D
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! It's a bad drug!

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    Learning curve is at least as important as flattening the curve.
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