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Mosko Moto Soft Bags for Offroad & Dualsport

Discussion in 'Vendors' started by Sideoff, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. Sideoff

    Sideoff Long timer

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    On behalf of the entire Mosko team: Happy New Year!

    This pic is from our Mosko holiday party at Sushi Okalani in Hood River a few weeks ago. We were joined by Scott & Lauren's new baby girl Rosland.

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    Ecuador Gear Testing Trip

    Ash and I spent the holidays in Ecuador with our friends Court & Sylvain at Ecuador Freedom Bike Rental. We rented a couple DR650s and went exploring in the hills around Quito. Ecuador is an absolutely breathtaking country, and what a perfect way to see it on two wheels.

    Back in the old days, if you wanted to explore Ecuador on a bike, you had to quit your job and ride all the way down there. Now you can have almost the same experience, flying in for a week and returning home before anyone notices you're gone. We did this entire trip over the holidays, missing only a single day of work. It was only 9 days, but it felt like a much longer trip. It's almost surreal to board a plane in Atlanta and land in Ecuador less than 6 hours later - still in the same time zone - with an ADV bike all setup, waiting, and ready to go.

    We had a total blast. The pics tell the story.

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    Court & Sylvain have an epic location in downtown Quito, close to the action but still private and secluded. They have 50 bikes, ranging from big BMWs down to little 150cc scooters. Plus some 4x4 trucks.

    It was neat to see all the rental Mosko gear on their shelves.

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    I took the Reckless 80 'Revolver v3.0' prototype with a Nomad tank bag. Ash took a Reckless 80 v2.0 with the Pico tank bag. The reason we're calling the new R80 the 'Revolver' is that the legs can be rotated at different angles for different sizes and shapes of bikes. Setting it up on the DR650 was no problem.

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    I was a little worried about the Nomad on the DR but as it turned out, no problem. When I stood up I felt the bag on my legs, but it was worth it to have my water and extra stuff on the tank. The stock DR is pretty short for me anyway, with a very tight cockpit, so I didn't spend much time on the pegs except to stretch.

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    Ash took the Pico tank bag, which fits perfectly on the DR with an aftermarket tank. We had some rain fro a few days and the Pico stayed dry while riding. However one night we left the Pico on the bike overnight, it rained very heavily throughout the night, and the next morning there was some water inside. Because of the way we had it mounted (with the front propped up on the edge of the gas cap), we think the headphone port on the bottom of the bag was exposed. Water came in through the port, wicked its way through the webbing on the seam-binding of the inside pocket insert (which has sewn rather than welded seams), and into the inside of the bag. In a future version, we will modify the design to prevent this from happening. For now though, we changed the wording on the Pico product page from 'waterproof' to ' water-resistant' just to be safe. It's an awesome little tank bag, but don't leave it out in the rain overnight.

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    We were also riding with a bunch of apparel prototypes, including the Basilisk jacket/pant, the Deluge jacket/pant, the Signal jersey, the Imbricate base layer, and the Forcefield Adventure Harness.

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    Here are some assorted pics from the trip, starting with Court's pre-trip briefing, all the way through our return to Quito 9 days later. Ecuador is a spectacular place to visit. It's very mountainous, with lots of dirt roads, nice people, and interesting little villages.

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    We ran into our good friend Round The World Paul just outside Quito.

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    0 degrees north, at the equator.

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    In Ecuador there's a tradition of dressing up in elaborate drag costumes to celebrate the New Year. Court & Sylvain took us for a nighttime ride in Quito before we headed to the airport for our flight home.

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    It was a great trip, and it was over way too soon. Huge thanks to Court & Sylvain for making the week so special.

    Ecuador has everything we need for gear testing - from hot & humid to dry & cold - with lots of interesting stuff to see, and plenty of rough riding in between. We'll be back for sure.

    SuperFabric Issue

    When we returned to the Mosko shop in January, a sample of the Basilisk jacket/pant was waiting for our approval.

    The arms, shoulders, and knees of the Basilisk use a specially engineered material called SuperFabric, which features small ceramic plates applied to a fabric under-layer, to protect you and your gear from abrasion in a slide. SuperFabric is very expensive stuff, especially when applied to a waterproof/breathable base fabric like eVent. Our designs use a lot of it. There is more SuperFabric on the Basilisk than on any other motorcycle jacket I've ever seen.

    When our factory in Bangladesh did their QC check on the rolls of SuperFabric we received for production - which cost $30,000 and took 120 days to make - they noticed immediately that some of the ceramic plates were missing. On further investigation, they realized the plates were not adhering to the base fabric as strongly as they were in the samples.

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    The blue fabric below is the sample (SuperFabric applied to eVent), the black fabric is from production. We rubbed a key on both to test the issue, using the same amount of pressure. The blue fabric didn't lose a single ceramic plate, whereas the plates scraped off the black fabric with relative ease.

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    The jacket I'd been riding with in Ecuador - the blue one, which Scott is measuring below - used the sample fabric.

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    After discussing this issue at length with the factory and SuperFabric, we all agreed that we cannot move forward with production until the issue is resolved. This decision was especially disruptive for our factory, as they had several production lines scheduled for Mosko production, and all the other materials are already sitting there ready to go.

    SuperFabric is replacing the damaged yardage with a rush production order, so hopefully this will set us back by only 30 days or so. It sucks, but we're thankful the issue was identified before production started, and we're thankful to have good partners.

    Cell Phone Case

    We received a prototype of a new MOLLE cell phone holder that our design intern Jesse developed last summer. Stoked to try this out in Ethiopia next week. As I mentioned in my last post, several of us have been using Quadlock mounts for our phones recently, which initially gave me some pause with respect to the need for a soft-bag cell phone case.

    I dig the Quadlock on smooth surfaces, but I've had one spontaneous pop-off while riding on dirt (I had to ride back along the trail to find my phone, fortunately only the screen protector was broken). I also had one broken Quadlock mount when my bike flipped upside down in the sand dunes and landed on the handlebars. I also destroyed the image stabilization on the Iphone camera from too much vibration on the handlebars. So I still think there's a good argument for a soft-bag cell-carry case. In Ethiopia, I'm planning to use the handlebar mount on pavement and the MOLLE case offroad.

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    New Dirt Bike Pant

    Scott is working on a new trail riding pant. I'm very stoked to see this item develop. He's working on one in-boot style and one over-boot style. He has some really cool ideas for this item, more on that in a future post.

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    Backcountry 35 v2.0 Samples

    Andrew got new samples of the Backcountry 35/25 v2.0. They look great. We're talking to the factory to see if it is possible to introduce these new revisions in 2019.

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    Instead of a sewn-on rear pocket, the new BC pannier will have MOLLE panels on all three sides, along with a series of holes to bolt-on a new auxiliary pocket harness/drybag system we're developing. The aux pocket may not be ready at the same time as the pannier, so we're planning to introduce that at a later date.

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    Here's a rough prototype of the new aux pocket, mounted on top of a Backcountry duffle using MOLLE webbing. We designed the aux pocket to mount on the pannier, but it works great in other places too.

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    Backpack Design

    Thanks so much to everyone who responded to my last post, and provided feedback on riding backpacks in our advrider.com thread over the last few weeks. We were totally blown away by the amount and quality of feedback. We've read through everything, and now we're processing it. We'll be referring back to those posts a lot over the next few months as we kick off the development process. At the moment Andrew is up to his ears in new bag prototypes, so it will take a month or two to get started.

    In the meantime, I've been particularly intrigued with various front-mounted storage options lately.

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    This is a home-made custom pack that Scott uses for hunting, which has a bunch of storage on the front straps.

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    This is a tactical pack I recently bought from a company called Hill People Gear, which my buddy Adam suggested in a Facebook comment after the last blog post. It's designed for carrying a handgun, but I thought it might be handy for day rides on a dirt bike, because sometimes it's a hassle to get stuff out of a backpack, especially when I'm wearing body armor. I've taken it on a few hikes so far and I love the front storage, but the side straps make it hard for my chest to expand when I'm breathing heavily.

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    European Distribution

    With the exception of a few last items, all the inventory we've been waiting for has now arrived at the warehouse in Europe, and Lee is currently in Amsterdam doing a final QC check. Roel came to Mosko HQ last week and we spent some time figuring out how to process orders from a second inventory location.

    Initially, to keep things simple, we will be taking manual orders for the Europe warehouse. The longer term solution is to setup a second website for Europe using a completely separate cart, but we are currently in the middle of a website redesign, so the European website is on hold until that project is complete.

    Please contact Roel at moskomoto (at) moskomoto (dot) com with the subject line "Attention Roel" if your are interested in being one of the first to order from our new European warehouse. He will send you information on pricing and product availability. For customers located in Europe, there is is a very substantial savings if your order from the Europe warehouse vs ordering from the US. Not only do you save on shipping, but you also bypass the very substantial US import duties. We'll have pricing posted soon. In the meantime, check with Roel for more info.

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    In Other News

    When we returned from Ecuador, Ash had 8 hours to unpack, do laundry, re-pack, drive back to Portland, and fly to Dallas for the International Motorcycle Show. Which - as it turned out - was totally worth it, because we had the best show we've ever had in Dallas, by far. She also got to test out our new booth backdrop, which looks awesome. Nice work Ash!

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    Here's what the booth backdrop previously looked like at the show in Australia last month. We had an issue with the printing, so there was almost no contrast between the two different shades of blue.

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    Lee is redesigning the Reckless 80/40/10 bolt-on mounting cleat. It's almost done.

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    We have some new hats! They're not on the website yet, but they will be soon.

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    We got the coolest Christmas gift from our friends at Upshift Online: goggles for the entire Mosko crew. Thanks guys!!

    For anyone who isn't already on the Upshift distribution list, I highly recommend clicking this link and subscribing. It's free. And the best part is that you can read it while you're sitting at your desk and looking like you're working.

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    This time next week, Ash & I will be in Ethiopia. Our buddy Chad has been helping us figure out how to find bikes there. Stoked for this trip!!

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    We'll be in Ethiopia for four weeks. I'll try to do a quick blog update from the road.

    Happy New Year!
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  2. AZmike

    AZmike Been here awhile

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    Hello,

    It appears that you may be getting into more pack gear for dirt bike. Below is a shot of a small case I mounted on my chest protector ( its actually a camera case with some hand stitched on webbing to attach RFS radio ). It has two pockets I use to carry GPS, ear plugs, maps ... Maybe you could enhance.

    Enjoyed reading your trip report. cheers.




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  3. Guoseph

    Guoseph Been here awhile

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    @Sideoff Super excited that the Back Country 25 is making a return, please consider selling a 25/25 kit and not just the 35/25 offset.
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    Janus9 Been here awhile

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    Excited to see that you guys are using eVent as your w/b. I am a huge fan of it. IMO, for shells, it is better than goretex.
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    Orindarider Been here awhile

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    What ever happened to the tracker 20l. Bag. I was hoping to get one more. I like that size for the tops of my panniers better that the 22
  6. iamdorus

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    Good to hear the EU distribution is becoming available.
    I think it is finally time to get myself some Reckless bags.

    Also I've spotted some Maya Jane Coles, great track btw. :)
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  7. Didado

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    Indeed very nice that EU distribution is coming along.
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  8. Didado

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    Fascinating. I just did a review of the QuadLock, Rokform and SP Connect quick mount ecosystems. To be honest I've been using the SP connect system since this summer and it has never failed me. Also, it has the most extensive ecosystem of mounts of all three. What I really like is that SP connect is GoPro mount compatible which opens up all sorts of extra mounting options.

    Quadlock and SP both have a wireless charging module. Take that with a large grain of salt. They work really well but wireless charging on a bike and even in the car while riding in a hot environment will overheat smartphones that are already getting hot from navigation (GPS requires intense calculations which translates into heat).

    I've been running smartphones (Android and iOS) for several years now offroad (RAM mounts) and I never had any issues with the accelerometer or the image stabilizer being destroyed. Just curious which iPhone do you have?
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  9. D-Train

    D-Train Dusty Wessels

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    Canadian friends!! Mosko will be in Vancouver for the motorcycle show starting this Friday! A link to the show information is below...
    https://www.vancouvermotorcycleshow.ca/

    We will be in booth #420 right across from BMW. We will have all our products on display, but will not be bringing product to sell. However, we will be taking orders and will extend free shipping to anyone who places an order with us at the show.

    Thanks and hope to see you there!

    January 18-20th, 2019
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  10. Sideoff

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    It first happened on my iphone 6s in October on our week-long Mosko team ride. At first the iphone would just shake like crazy and make weird noises, but it would go back to normal after a few seconds. Then it started doing it all the time and was taking either blurry pics or videos that looked like i was deliberately shaking the camera. The videos and pics were totally useless, so i used the selfie camera for the rest of the trip. Rather than pay to have the 6s fixed I traded it in and got a new iphone 10 instead. I was using the 10 in Ecuador and it started doing the same vibration thing, but only in videos, the pics were fine. Then it started shaking and when I first pulled it out for a pic, but fixing itself after a few seconds. I didn't want to risk losing my camera in the middle of the trip, so I stopped using the quadlock except on pavement. After that the vibration issue stopped happening. I really want to 'not' have this issue. Is there anything else that could cause that?
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  11. Snake Oiler

    Snake Oiler If the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

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    D-Train. Any idea when the Pico will be back in stock? I'm to pick up a new 501s this week and in desperate need of a small tank bag.

    Plus I'm going to try to mount my small mollie to a homemade harness. Stay tuned folks .
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  12. CourtRand

    CourtRand Been here awhile Super Supporter

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    Thanks for the write-up. It was really fun having Peter and Ashley here in Ecuador and to have some time with them. Our business would be such a pain in the ass without them. Their luggage systems keep our customers happy by keeping everyone's gear dry, safe and well balanced. Plus never any damage charges for damaged luggage. It is rare to see people in business so passionate about what they do and truly dedicated to giving their customers the best products available. Such great energy!
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    Emgo Started on a CT70 almost 52 years ago

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    I don't know if this will help with the vibration problem but it will hold your phone securely . The Perfect Squeeze https://advrider.com/f/threads/perfect-squeeze-off-road-phone-mount.1144781/

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  14. markinthailand

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    Where was the quad lock mounted? I’ve had a 6 then 7plus, but mounted on a RAM mount. Mostly paved/dirt roads. The RAM has rubber bumpers, so that might dampen vibration. I wonder if the quadlock transmits more big frequency vibrations.
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  15. Ayada

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    The 10's facial recognition cameras are quite a bit more sensitive than the normal cameras too. Unfortunately that isn't something Apple or anyone can fix so you are forced to grab a whole new phone from them if it quits working. Thankfully mine was still covered when mine went out but if it happens again I'm out $500 or so for a replacement from Apple. I can safely say this phone isn't really adventure or bike proof.

    I believe I ran into the same issue with my 6s as well. First issue I noticed was the charging port was losing connection and getting to be more of a pain to charge. It would constantly unplug itself on a ride and drain itself. After I gave up and bought the 10 I noticed it was taking drastically cleaner and better images. I'm betting the camera isn't as good in the 6s as it used to be.

    I gave up using the phone mount because of the charging issues and the camera issues have pretty much sealed it for me. There are some anti vibration mounts out there now but even then it's a $500 gamble that they actually work. The iPhone now sits in the nomad while I use "disposable" android phones for maps. I don't really use them for the camera so if that goes it's not a huge loss and if I somehow manage to lose it I'm out less than $100. I do miss having the iPhone at the ready but with how expensive they are some compromises need to be taken.

    It's also why I'm a bit excited to see the soft bag phone holder still in progress. It would give me a much more convenient place to put the iPhone while keeping it much safer and protected vs a traditional mount. It's not as conveniently in view as a handlebar mounted one would be but I would feel a whole lot better knowing the chances of it falling off on the road or vibrating to death are drastically reduced.
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    Now I see that it wasn’t only my iPhone 6s that started breaking down after using it in a bar mounted (RAM) holder. A $79 Kyocera DuraForce Pro now handles mapping duties rather than the iPhone X just to be safe.

    Scott's Hunting vest is cool. I’m also intrigued by chest mount packs. I'd like the pockets to be lower though. With a full face helmet on I can't see my chest through the mouth guard.

    I just got an e-mail from Osprey about a 1.5l hydration vest and pockets on the front for running. The ventilation looks excellent. The small dual buckles would be a pain.
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    I really want to be able to quickly access wallet/camera/phone/map/usb cable. I’d still want to be able to have a bladder in back and storage room for a shirt or hat back there too. Distributing the load between the back and front could keep it lower profile.

    The arm holes need to be large to get on over armor/jacket.

    Could it also be able to fit over a bulky jacket and then adjust to fit without for walking around a town?

    I’d likely prefer a vest style over the Hill People Gear bag so as not to look like a paratrooper with a reserve chute.
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  18. Ladukebob

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    The thought of using a $700 -$1000 phone on the bike is frightening. I've always wondered if anyone had run into these issues.
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  20. D-Train

    D-Train Dusty Wessels

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    Nice! Interested in your home made solution!

    I'll find out today and post up on the Pico and the other new products.
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