Most Important Things to Know For a Motorcycling n00b.

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by MotoMusicMark, Mar 26, 2010.

  1. Motorius

    Motorius Road trippin' Supporter

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    What I think is really pretty irrelevant as you appear to think you’ve got it all worked out and understood in 18 months.

    OTOH, at 3.5 yrs as a returning rider in my late 50’s what I’ve managed to figure out is there is always more to learn, always room for improvement, and plenty of teachers everywhere if you pay attention.
  2. Hima

    Hima n00b

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    Ok, I guess I should have wrote in my original post, “yes I am a new rider, and I feel like in life, you are never a master of anything, just always a disciple. The learning never stops.” Because that is how I feel, I for sure don’t think I have it all figured out. I am just a very observant and judgemental person, and I don’t like a lot of what I see out there. I’m gonna edit my post though to add that, to make you happy.
  3. Motorius

    Motorius Road trippin' Supporter

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    You don’t have to make me or anyone else happy.

    Let me share a story with you.

    I have 2 sons, with one son working for a utility in a pre-apprentice program. In plain English he’s overpaid to do what a monkey could do while he awaits his chance to ‘move up’.

    This past weekend I ran into a guy at a wedding party that both my son and I had the chance to speak with by phone some months back. Did/doing the same program. Now two years into apprenticeship so probably 4 years ahead of my son.

    He shared a number of things he thought would help my son in the future as he moves up and into real apprenticeship.

    The one piece of advice he repeated several times was ... be humble. That no matter what he thought he knew, he really didn’t know jack. And that the guys who couldn’t be humble washed out or were forced out in no time.

    Think about it.
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  4. Hima

    Hima n00b

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    So I should just be ok with people going way too fast splitting lanes while wearing zero protective gear, obnoxious loud pipes, cocky people with brash bad behavior making all of us look bad? Shouldn’t noobs in this thread be taught that is all bad stuff that you should not emulate? That’s why I mentioned it all, because I am a noob, I have observed all this shit behavior, and I wanna say to the other noobs trying to read this thread “HEY DONT DO THAT STUFF. WE SHOULD BE GOOD MOTORCYCLISTS, NOT SPEEDY ASSHOLES” . Sorry to come in hot, but this thread seems very difficult for a noob to navigate unless they have tons of patience to sift thru it all. I’m down with message board reading so I will read thru a super long thread, but lots of people don’t have the patience to do that.
  5. MauiCowie

    MauiCowie Long timer

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    You should read posting nOOb thread too. It will teach you that paragraphs are your friend.
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  6. JohnCW

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    My advice on how to make the thread more informative than what you seem to think is the case, don't just criticize it with a blanket statement like above.

    As there is apparently so much bad advice it should be very easy to list several key bits of really bad advice to back up your statement. Highlight several examples of this 'really bad advice' and I'm sure an interesting informative discussion is sure to follow.
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  7. Gil Favor

    Gil Favor Been here awhile

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    And this is how another couple of pages of mud are added to an informative thread.
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    "Speed Kills" is nothing more than a marketing hype mantra, & it's bullshit. It's not the speed, it's the sudden stop. Some of my worst injuries have come from crashing my trials bike at 0mph.

    If the highway patrol were truly interested in getting us to slow down, they wouldn't hide & use instant-on radar. Those are nothing more than revenue generators.
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  9. j21a2t89

    j21a2t89 Lurking Noob Supporter

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    Speed does kill when used in excess for the current conditions.

    A fixed arbitrary speed limit that cannot take into account lighting, grip, technological advancements or skill is bullshit. But that is CSM territory.
  10. PlainClothesHippy

    PlainClothesHippy Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.

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    I was reading the thread about the most dangerous traffic to ride in, but my contribution fits this thread much better. I would say...

    The most dangerous traffic in the world is any traffic that we fail to give our full attention to.
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  11. neanderthal

    neanderthal globeriding wannabe

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    Is that what he said? That you should be "ok" with all those things? You were very right when you said you're judgemental. I'd add hard headed without knowing anything else about you.

    What he said was "be humble." PERIOD. "Don't assume you know more than you know. Learn from anyone and everything." That's literally exactly what he said, but you chose to try and twist what he said. I sense you're one of those guys who must always be right. Or always have the last word. That's how you come across. Be humble.

    You've done well by observing arsehole behavior from other motorcyclists and saying "that's not cool." Keep that energy. It'll come in handy. More importantly, learn from it.

    What's there to learn from it? Well, what would the opposite action do? Loud pipe/ quiet pipe. Arsehole rider lane splitting and kicking cars that aren't giving enough room/ someone patiently waiting their turn to slip through and acknowledging the driver that finally saw them. You can be a good ambassador for the sport to the public without being an arsehole to other riders who's methods you don't approve of.

    I lanesplit and filter when I want to. I live in Texas. It's illegal to do so. Very anti social behaviour, right? Here is is someone who openly is an arsehole in traffic and here online to you, lecturing you. Where the fuck does he get the nerve? Well two months ago I was rear ended waiting at a traffic light. Here in Texas. Filtering to the front of the traffic light is for my safety. Does that put my behavior in a different light?

    I hope you're getting what i'm saying. Welcome to ADVrider, one of the best motorcycling forums around. Don't be an arsehole. Be safe out there.


    Edit. Paragraph breaks, please, for the love of loud pipes not so loud pipes and responsible motorcycling.
    And wear ATGATT. It literally saved my life. (well, technically my moms frequent, fervent prayers did, but i'm sure the ATGATT helped.)
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    FreeTimeinTX n00b

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    And the same to those who write like this... I'm sure you can figure out the lines I'm referring to.

    Clearly you haven't figured it out...
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    seaduck100 You just got smoked by an old guy on a cb500x

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    I think that it is a good idea to telegraph your stops. Tap your brakes ... ... before you start to reduce speed. That can wake up people following you that you are going to brake.
    Like the other folks said, "look where you want to go." This applies to more than riding a motorbike.
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  14. LukyDvll

    LukyDvll n00b

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    I’m sorry. That sounds miserable.
    Good luck with your condition.
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  15. T.S.Zarathustra

    T.S.Zarathustra Been here awhile

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  16. Norty01

    Norty01 RIDERCOACH (RETIRED!)

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    For "new" riders, and also some seasoned riders as well~
    It can pay rich dividends to inspect/look over your motorcycle often. Every ride? That depends on what your goal is.
    It does a couple things.
    1. It helps you become more familiar with your motorcycle, and
    2. You can plan for upcoming expenditures. Things like brake pads/tires/oil changes are things that should be planned for in advance.
    3. If you notice something "not quite right" you can address it sooner, rather than later. Hopefully reducing the chances of a catastrophe.

    Not comfortable turning your own wrench? There are literally hundreds of yootoob videos for guidance on mechanical devices. Quite possibly the exact process you have before you. Ask questions to other riders too. They rarely will want to steer a noobie in the wrong/dangerous direction.
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  17. Tool.Nerd

    Tool.Nerd An idiot that owns a bike

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    I don't really get what happened here. I felt this guy came here looking for some beginning advice and had more patience than me because he read the whole thread, which is far more than I could accomplish. He made some great points which are great observations for his relatively short time riding. There was honestly some garbage and repetition in the thread. I agree. I didn't see him being un-humble about it. But maybe I missed that part.

    As for the grammar, yes, paragraphs help, but I'm general I saw better writing form than I see typically from 99% of the folks who run the nuclear industry, so maybe I have excess patience with that.

    I feel we (as a forum) were a bit rough on the dude with some of the previous posts, and the post I quoted seems to have been the most positive reaction...

    @Hima Sounds like you did well choosing a Grom and riding it a bit. I would like to point out, I recommend reading https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Ninja250_Howto Specifically, the all the articles on the sub-pages on there of "New Riders," "Protective Gear," and "Riding Techniques." Now, before someone tells me "He doesn't have a Ninja 250, dumbass," or "Oh, that's great advice for someone with less than 10 miles on their odometer," or "Don't post on our forum again until you have a higher post count," (which was genuinely said to me on TriumphRat once), I've been riding for decades now but I STILL routinely find good stuff in the Ninja250 faq/wiki page. In fact, after a rather "unique" parallel parking situation a few weeks ago, I referenced the page on parking so I would know quickly what to do next time. Additionally, when I bought my Aerostich Classic on eBay a few months ago, I referenced the Protective Gear's pages specific to the Aerostich...

    @Hima again, bear with us. There's good stuff in these forums. This is the only forum I've stuck with. For the record, the "Stupid questions people ask you when stopped" thread is a good binge read and you'll inevitably identify with some of the victims of these questions....

    Agreed. Hopefully I haven't contributed too much to the mud. Maybe "Consult https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Ninja250_Howto even if you don't have a Ninja 250," is enough of a contribution that makes up for some of my above fluff.
  18. Motorius

    Motorius Road trippin' Supporter

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    My take...

    Ever meet that guy who just knows it all? Has an opinion about everything and everyone else but not enough life under their belt to understand the hows and whys of the way things work?

    I got my first bike (in a verrry long time) in late 2016. I wouldn’t dream of coming on this forum to comment on how other people ride the way he did. And most certainly not in my first couple posts with endless run on sentences and no formatting.

    Shit, even now I may comment on stupid drivers, but the only ‘real comment’ I’ll make about other riders is I believe not wearing a helmet is selfish — as someone else may have to deal with you as a vegetable for decades to come.

    People are going to do what they’re going to do. Sometimes for valid reasons, sometimes for no reason, sometimes because they’re just plain stupid. (And I’ve done my own share of stupid in life as well). Shouting from the mountaintops has long been out of style.

    I got a friend who works in management for a large contracting company. One of his freshly-minted journeymen went to HR and complained my friend was being ‘condescending’ to him. Basically this guy thought because he was now a 4 year trained journeyman he knew more than a guy who worked his way up the ranks and was nearing retirement, so he didn’t want to hear anything about anything from my friend. Then he proceeded to fuck up a job to the tune of ~$12k. So now the company is gonna eat that $12k, and this ‘journeyman’ not only has to re-do the job but also sets the project back a couple weeks. With the HR complaint, it’s near impossible for my friend to shit-can the guy now even though it’s a costly mistake by a know-it-all. But...when the economy turns down, I bet you can guess who my friend lays off first.

    One of my own kids is entering the trades. I had to teach him the words ‘I know’ don’t exist in his vocabulary because some journeyman is gonna year him say that and bust his balls for a long time as a result.

    That guy read the whole thread, and good for him. I read the whole thing too. It’s a good thread. His attitude didn’t contribute anything to it. He was like that newly minted journeyman.

    Me? I got a few years under my belt, a few things to add, a few options as well. But I’m still a fucking noob in the great scheme of things. And I guarantee I’ve read more books and watched more videos on riding than the vast majority of riders out there.

    It’s good to be a little humble. It can keep you out of trouble.

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    I have an almost 16 year old son that will probably be on a street bike sooner than later. He has been riding dirt bikes since 3 years old & has a good head on his shoulders. It's not his ability I worry about, but the other folks not paying attention. This exact thread came to my mind when we were having talk about difference in dirt & street w other vehicles ... I have assigned it to him as homework to read through & think about these situations & tips. So thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread!!!
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  20. Motorius

    Motorius Road trippin' Supporter

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    Best thing you can do to help him is make sure his future ride had plenty of added lighting running during the days both front and rear.

    We can teach them a lot, but what sticks is beyond our control.

    Btw, the MCRider channel on YouTube is a must for him.