moto gp

Discussion in 'Australia' started by gsjam, Oct 24, 2018.

  1. Cruz

    Cruz Lost but laughing.

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2008
    Oddometer:
    13,137
    Location:
    Northside Brisbane, Qld Australia
    MotoGP, KTM to lose concessions, Honda cannot gain them: this is the situation
    Thanks to the victories of Binder and Oliveira, the Austrian manufacturer will be limited in engine development from 2021, a halt on testing with the riders already this year.

    KTM has finally crossed the line that separated it from the MotoGP greats and thanks to (or because of) the victories obtained by Brad Binder at Brno and Miguel Oliveira at the Red Bull Ring, it has lost the concessions reserved for those manufacturers which have not achieved significant results in recent seasons. The system is simple: a victory is worth 3 points, second place 2 and third 1, and once a total of 6 has been reached, the bonuses are removed.

    KTM is now at 7 (also counting the podium of Pol Espargarò in the Styrian GP) so it no longer has the concessions. What does this mean? In the immediate future, that is, for the current season, it will no longer have the opportunity to take advantage of free tests with its race riders. So only the test riders (Dani Pedrosa and Mika Kallio for the Austrian manufacturer) will be able to take part in tests, obviously respecting the ban on organizing them in the 15 days preceding a Grand Prix on a specific track.

    For 2020 there are no other changes, but in 2021 KTM will lose further benefits. The first concerns the engines available for the season, which will go down from 9 to 7 and development on which will be frozen. Furthermore, as regards the tests, it will have to indicate 3 circuits on which to carry them out with its own testers, no longer having the freedom to organize them on any track in the World Championship. Finally, the number of wildcards allowed during the year will go down from 6 to 3.

    Concessions, under normal conditions, can be lost as well as gained. The regulations stipulate that if a manufacturer does not get on the podium even once during the season, it is entitled to benefit from this bonus system.

    Given the current situation of Honda (still without a podium!) one could therefore imagine that in 2021 the Tokyo giant, which with Marc Marquez has dominated in recent seasons, could paradoxically gain concessions.

    However, this is not a normal season and the Grand Prix Commission, which decides on regulation changes, has added a footnote for this year, in which concessions can only be lost and not gained. So even if Honda were never to get on the podium in 2020, it would continue to be subject to the usual constraints.
  2. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    And fair enough. Their engines have proven to be fast and reliable and the bikes as a whole extremely competitive. Nothing more needed to be gained with the assistance of the concessions.
  3. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
  4. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    Remy Gardner. What a nice young bloke. His ol man was a bit ‘howz ya fathers chooks’ in his racing days and i thought he was following in his ol mans Rossis. Going by this vid, obviously not. Hes never had much exposure for us to experience his personality.
  5. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    The Miller family. Instrumental in Jack’s success.

    Nogoodnamesleft likes this.
  6. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    Interesting podcast. Casey’s opinions including on the subject of track limits.

    Postman Pat likes this.
  7. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2012
    Oddometer:
    11,212
    Location:
    Brisbane Northside, OZ
    xrsism likes this.
  8. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2009
    Oddometer:
    6,738
    Location:
    Wrong side of the Vcitorian virus zombi-fence
  9. medicmick

    medicmick Spike

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2007
    Oddometer:
    1,062
    Location:
    MID NORTH COAST NSW AUSTRALIA
    Yep 88’s got it, and others... mechanic
  10. dunc

    dunc Coddiwompler Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2010
    Oddometer:
    4,267
    Location:
    NSW
    the old bloke

    46
    did a good time in FP3
    Dukehunt and Boxa like this.
  11. GodSilla

    GodSilla I did that.

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2006
    Oddometer:
    12,866
    Location:
    GodSowncountry Australia
    Mugello is pretty much his home race, so you can reasonably expect a bigger than usual effort from the Doctor. He usually does OK here if the bike has decent acceleration and particularly top speed.
  12. bigborett

    bigborett Hipster Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2014
    Oddometer:
    6,656
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Remy picked up second fastest which gives him first on grid for today's Moto2 race.

    Jack, fastest non-Yamaha in MotoGP. 4th fastest.
    AUSSIEADV and Boxa like this.
  13. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    I havent watched the 2 times yet. Good him. Home it amounts to something worthy.
  14. BOOTLACE

    BOOTLACE Bikie Scum. Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2005
    Oddometer:
    12,193
    Location:
    Methane Central..(Sth Gippsland)
    It’s Misano. About the polar opposite of Moojello. Top speed is largely irrelevant.

    (And the Yam has neither...)
    RowBust likes this.
  15. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    Jack is doing bloody alright with his qualifying. Just needs to get it to last. As Casey said, he needs to use harder tyres.

    Congrats to Maverick for his record braking lap.
    bigborett likes this.
  16. bigborett

    bigborett Hipster Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2014
    Oddometer:
    6,656
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    What?
    You mean to speed or relevance? :imaposer
  17. bigborett

    bigborett Hipster Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2014
    Oddometer:
    6,656
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    The Yamaha's did very well.
    Just got to get the motors to last the season.
  18. chilejack

    chilejack Viajero Viejo

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2010
    Oddometer:
    687
    Location:
    Albuquerque
    5th fastest, Yamahas were 1,2,3 and 4 on the grid.
  19. AUSSIEADV

    AUSSIEADV 2wo left foots

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2006
    Oddometer:
    11,878
    Location:
    Ned and Wild’s fight site
    Both wrong you tards! :lol3

    Remy pole.

    Jack 5th.
  20. bigborett

    bigborett Hipster Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2014
    Oddometer:
    6,656
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Correct with Jack, 4 Yamaha's then Jack, sorry.
    As for Remy, second fastest, only moving up a place because the fastest(can't remember his name at the moment) is starting from pit lane.

    Ya tard.
    AUSSIEADV likes this.