Motorcycle Batteries .. AGM, GEL, Wet, Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4)

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by _cy_, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. WJBertrand

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    Reversed poles?
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    negative and positive was correct
  3. JensEskildsen

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    Anything under 15v should be fine for lithium.
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  4. Antigravity

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    That battery is not working then... at 13.2v that lithium should easily start your bike. BT has a tendancy to use smaller and lower amp hour battery cell packs inside the battery to keep the cost lower. But if you chose the model they recommend for you bike then it would and should easily start it at 13.2v. That is the resting voltage of Lifepo4 Batteries like this. 13.2 is what you want to see you battery resting at, and you will know it is a decent state of charge at that voltage. The chargers and the bikes will usually take it up to 13.6v to 14.8v but overnight or within a day it will go back to its resting voltage of 13.2v and sit there for a good while before it starts to discharge. Depending on your accessories the speed of the discharging may vary. But without doubt that battery is not working.
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  5. bcgr33n

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    Thanks for the reply, i returned the battery and got a different brand lithium with out the bms. plugged it in and the bike starts right up. guess that battery was a bad one.
    But wanted to know if old regulator rectifier which output higher charging voltage will cause the BMS in the lithium cut power on the battery.
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  6. Antigravity

    Antigravity Been here awhile

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    If your charging system is charging with excessively high voltage (above14.8v) it will damage your lithium battery. As an FYI... if you have a Pre 1990 bike you should probably check your voltage regulator...or just go ahead and replace it with a new solid state unit. Though most were solid state by then some are still mechanical... especially harleys and some japanese bikes. You should NOT expect the BMS of the new Lithium Battery to cure or regulate the over-charge potential of a bad voltage regulator or charging system. The bikes that most often cause problems with high voltage after the regulator goes bad are the 1970-1980s Harley, and Japanese bikes that so many are turning into bobbers, or Customizing, or just rehabbing. Those voltage regulators are mostly toast by now being they are almost 30 years old, and were not solid state like the ones of today. They make new plug and play kits to fix that.

    Also yes you could potentially be having the battery cut-out if you new battery with a BMS has over-charge protection and the voltage is spiking...
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    kickstandsup Devout Atheist Supporter

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    For 2020, BMW is offering a lithium battery as an "option" on the R1250RS...for only $525. Price aside, they must have some confidence that it will start the big twin no matter the weather.

    OTOH, it's BMW...what was I thinking... :lol3 (and I currently own 2, so I'm entitled...)
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  8. Gruesome

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    Yep, I have a data point in support of that. My early 80s Sportster had a regulator that went up to 17V and more, which would turn off the ignition at the most inopportune time, like in the middle of passing at 70mph....
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    The OEM option price of $525 for a Li battery is highway robbery, as even the best high dollar major brand Li batteries are much less than that.
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    Honda is putting their Latest Lithium Batteries in the CRF450 and it over $400 dollars and in the African Twin it about $500 dollar. Yet the African Twin one is only 6 real Amp Hours... Depending on the size they are offering we can get 8-10 real Ah for about half that.... AND give you the RE-START built in Jump Starting. But that will always be the difference between OEM and Aftermarket. Do you know what size the new BMW Lithium is? Is it Standardized? Honda went with proprietary sizes...
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    A little over one year ago I installed an Earth-X ETX36C Li battery into my '14 R1200GS and it has been working spectacularly. This battery retails for $349, weighs 3.9 lbs (compared to stock 11.6 lbs), and rated at 680PCA/320CCA. The ETX36C battery has the same depth and width of the stock battery but is not as tall therefore installation was very simple.
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    OK... but I was wondering about the new BMW Lithium Battery and if it is physically sized differently.... We offer that same size also as the EarthX...because they were STANDARDIZED sizes, but often on newer bikes the companies are electing to change the size of the battery when they go to Lithium and not use the standardized sizes so they can have a proprietary size.
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    Not sure I understand your question. I was pointing out that BMW has decided to offer a lithium battery as an option in 2020.

    That said, I have an EarthX in my Triumph Bonneville. That was my "test" bike for lithium, 21 months now and could not be happier. My other bikes currently have various Yuasas. Certainly for the Ducati, I'll be putting an EarthX in it when the time comes. Not sure about the GS. The F800GT is stored in Europe and EarthX is not available there.
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    Yep, put that Batt in my 13RT and love it
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    Theres no CCA (cold cranking amps) rating for the lithium batteries, only cranking amps. They cant pass the CCA test.
    So you cant compare a lithium at warm temps, against a leadbattery tested af freezing temps. (CCA test performed at -18 celcius)
    We need to know what the temps needs to be for the lithium to perform as specd, and compare that to a leadbattery at the same test.
    But as I know, theres no standardized "warm" test, so not sure thoose datas are available for the lead batteries.
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    The specs came directly from EarthX.

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    Are you sure they dont just list it as Cranking Amps (CA), and not Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) ?

    Hrm... Upon further investigation, it seems like the manufactors made up yet another term "PCA" which is what earthX seems to be listed as.
    From their website:

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    So they compare their lithiumbatteries at 25 deg C, against a lead at -18 deg C. So the specs of lithiumbatteries are "best case" where lead batteries are what to expect under the worst conditions.
    I wonder how a lead battery with 150 CCA amps would do in 25 deg C
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    I think EarthX is very transparent about how they rate their batteries, what will work, why, and what potential issues there might be. Their manuals contain quite a bit of technical information, and they are also very helpful by phone. The "depth of discharge" also matters in real life, as they point out.

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    You'd think lithium batteries would come with built in heaters by now. Like automatic glow plugs for diesels. You push the starter button, it preheats, and then the engine starts a few seconds later.
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