Motorcycle Misconceptions

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by CCitis, Aug 26, 2019.

  1. tlub

    tlub Long timer Supporter

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    No, not really. If we say crashes are avoidable, if we learn from other's mistakes (or ours), but accidents (like a rock falling on you) are not, then we can realistically try to avoid the crashes by focusing on what is and isn't correctable.
  2. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Life is for good friends and great adventures Supporter

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    ... and you are being pedantic about a colloquial use of the word, because it appears in a dictionary. I am one of several people saying the common usage, as applied to vehicle crashes, is wrong (to us) because it sends the wrong message that crashes are "accidental" - based upon the other, factual, definitions of the word.

    Consider a couple of the definitions you provided earlier:
    1a: an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance; and
    claw: an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured...
    These both contradict the common usage to describe a traffic crash, which is usually not unforeseen (or shouldn't have been) and often IS due to fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured.

    So it's a tricky word, it can mean something that WAS a result of carelessness or ignorance or something that WASN'T (especially in the legal sense.) I prefer the definition that I prefer because it means numbskulls who crash due to their own negligence/carelessness or other fault can't get away with suggesting that their "accident" was "accidental".

    accidental
    1. happening by chance, unintentionally, or unexpectedly.

    Let's agree to disagree:
    You continue to call your crashes accidents and I will continue to call you out on it.

    Do you like beer?
  3. Traxx

    Traxx Long timer Supporter

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    Willful ignorance, can’t be helped.
  4. windmill

    windmill Long timer

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    "Accident" isn't used in the transportation industry.

    The theory being that we're always facing the probability of an incident every moment we're on the road, and actively avoiding them at all times.
    If our awareness and efforts to avoid them proves to be inadequate, then it's either a preventable, or non preventable incident, not an accident.
  5. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades... Super Supporter

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    This is making my brain hurt! :fpalm
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  6. PlainClothesHippy

    PlainClothesHippy It'll Shine When it Shines

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    They didn't mean to. It was an...
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  7. CaptCapsize

    CaptCapsize Long timer

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    All my crashes are accidents. I didn't do them on purpose. The root cause is usually lack of skill, or just stupidity. You would think will all the practice at crashing, I would get better at it.:jack

    Like Chuck Yeager said any landing you can walk away from is a good landing. If you can use the aircraft again the next day, then it was a great landing. I think the same goes bikes and for my crashes.
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  8. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Life is for good friends and great adventures Supporter

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    Once again, personal attack is the preferred response rather than considering the topic intelligently.

    How's your Monty Python? I see myself as one of the participants in the "Argument" sketch. I think you know which one.

    ...
    M: An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

    O: No it isn't!

    M: Yes it is! 'tisn't just contradiction.

    O: Look, if I *argue* with you, I must take up a contrary position!

    M: Yes but it isn't just saying 'no it isn't'.

    O: Yes it is!

    M: No it isn't!

    O: Yes it is!

    M: No it isn't!

    O: Yes it is!

    M: No it ISN'T! Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
    ...etc.​
  9. Traxx

    Traxx Long timer Supporter

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    Who are you again?
    Funny I didn’t say any names, just made an observation that even with the information presented, highlighted and underlined it is willfully ignored.
  10. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades... Super Supporter

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    :fpalm OUCH!
  11. Knapper-UK

    Knapper-UK Been here awhile

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    Fuckin 'ell you lot must be fun at dinner parties.
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  12. slartidbartfast

    slartidbartfast Life is for good friends and great adventures Supporter

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    Mea culpa!
  13. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son? Supporter

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    I'm arguing in my spare time.
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    Interesting hobby. :D
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    bwringer Gimpy, Yet Alacritous

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    It belongs to the pompous pontificating poops now, I guess.
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    Webster's definition of an accident is only a way to describe an event. Its still a crash whether the motorcyclist involved didn't intend it happen or not. But still, the motorcyclist has a lot of influence on the crash happening in the first place, and on the outcome of the crash. To not accept and apply that attitude means the motorcyclist will suffer whatever traffic issues he/she rides into.
  17. JETalmage

    JETalmage Long timer

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    I'm pretty sure the crashes in which they use crash dummies are intentional.

    JET
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    CaptCapsize Long timer

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    Misconception: Motorcycles can stop in less distance than a car.
  19. HuntWhenever

    HuntWhenever Motorcicle Commuter

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    Depends on the individual motorcycle and the individual car, right? I'd bet an HP4 Race has a shorter 60-0 stopping distance than a Chevy Malibu.
  20. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades... Super Supporter

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    And much better than a Yugo...