MSR Dromedary VS Fuel bags Giant Loop / Desert Fox

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  1. spova

    spova Been here awhile

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    I understand the Dromedary bags are not specified for fuel by the manufacturer like Giant Loop fuel bags but those fuel bags are not technically road legal in the US either.

    The MSR bags being significantly less expensive makes them very tempting. Do the official fuel bladders give extra value for the extra cost? What is the down side of using the MSR?

    I'm guessing getting fuel in and out of the fuel bags is easier than the MSR since its not made for putting stuff in a gas tank or filling at a station.

    Iv read the the MSR bag always let off fumes and some times sweat fuel. Do the fuel bags do this or can you put the cap on the emptie and toss it in a pannier with out it making everything smell like gas?
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  2. Motopsychoman

    Motopsychoman Not a total poseur Supporter

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    The fuel bladders are approved for "Off-road, Competition Use Only". Both the GL and Fox bladders have better tie down/lashing points than the MSR.

    I can't speak to the GL bladders, but the MSR will definitely bleed gasoline smell through the liner. The Desert Fox bladder doesn't seem to smell like gasoline, unless you spill all over the outside. The DF also looks sturdier than the others and is now 6L instead of 5L.

    The GL does have an optional ($$) fuel nozzle available. The DF comes with one included.

    Biggest downside to the Desert Fox bladder is the shipping cost from South Africa. The bladders aren't that pricey but the shipping is expensive, but if you are ordering a dozen or so it suddenly becomes a pretty good deal.

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  3. shrederscott

    shrederscott Long timer

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    Hi

    I have the Giant loop bag .... works good overall.

    One thing to keep in mind, if your carrying a gallon of fuel in one of these bags, you only need keep fuel in them for few hours .. the time it takes to burn a gallon of fuel from your tank.

    My GL does not vent gas fumes when empty

    MSR as other state can be lashed outside, BUT attachment points are not as good as the GL bag.

    I have used plastic soda bottles successfully to carry fuel...cheap, readily available, crush to store when done till you get somewhere to dispose to crushed bottles.

    Scott
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  4. spova

    spova Been here awhile

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    Has anyone gone from using MSR bags to real gas bags? If so why and do you regret spending more on the fuel bags over the MSR bar? <-- This question only for people that have switched please

    Has anyone had any non crash failures or mishaps with putting fuel in bags either way?
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  5. mnmlst

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    ... 1qt motor oil bottles, if one fails you don’t lose your whole stash.
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  6. Yellowjacket

    Yellowjacket Long timer

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    The first time I ever had to carry extra fuel, I used these in my backpack. They leaked and made a mess of my stuff in my backpack. Never again. I now use Gatorade bottles. They are thick. I also place them inside two-one gallon ziplock baggies just in case. I have never had a problem with those.
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  7. mnmlst

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    Agreed. Not all bottles are created equal. I use some Castrol bottles w/ ‘clicker’ lids and seals.

    My key point is... don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
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  8. Eatmore Mudd

    Eatmore Mudd Mischief on wheels.

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    Pedialite bottles. Free after ya hydrate. Square body saves space when packing.
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  9. NorCalslowpoke

    NorCalslowpoke Long timer

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    I have used MSR drom bags for a yearly Baja trip many times as my tank is only 3.1, needed 5. I bought some before GL made the gas bags. Attachment is barely adequate and requires fussing. They leak fumes, but they were cheap, pack small and do not actually leak gas, except out of the little squirt nozzle (tape/glue shut..another negative).

    Last Baja trip I borrowed a GL 2 gallon (hi Cabrito!). It worked great. I even had it full, inside my GL Coyote with all my gear at times. No leaks/fumes/easier to confidently strap down for whoops/rocks.

    If I had to do it all over again and I planned on using the gas bag frequently, I'd buy the GL gas bag in 2 gallon size.

    In fact maybe I should get rid of my droms/bottles and just buy one GL 2gal. All that being said, I can make the droms work for very occasional use, but I hate that I don't have the GL bladder.

    ....Anyone have a used GL bladder for sale in 2 gallon size?

    Cheers
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  10. VanXR

    VanXR nOOb/NooB/noob/NOob/NOOB/ Supporter

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    I was using the MSR with no problems here in the So. Ca. and Nv. deserts. I'd still be using it but a buddy bought me the Giant Loop for a present. It is nicer and doesnt vent gas like the MSR did. I'd only leave gas in it until my tank was empty enough to pour it in. I did get questioned once at a gas station and I told them it was approved for gas and he didn't question any further.
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  11. bozmotodual16

    bozmotodual16 Been here awhile Supporter

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    I've used the Primus fuel bottles because they are 1.5 liters vs only 1 liter for MSR fuel bottles. I've also used the MSR Dromedary water bag to carry fuel. I feel more secure using the bottles as I can more reliably secure them in the pockets of my Mosko Moto soft bags. I've carried up to 4 for 6 liters (about 1.5 gallons) of extra fuel. However, the MSR bag I carry hold 10 quarts and I usually carry that with 2 gallons of fuel so it does hold more and the best feature is it folds away flat after use. But they are stinky when used for fuel.
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  13. bozmotodual16

    bozmotodual16 Been here awhile Supporter

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    Thanks for the reply. Guess there are pros and cons for both systems, although the only con I can think of for the fixed bottles is that you always have them or the mount on the hard bags whether you need them or not. Seems nice to have fuel totally separated from gear though.
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  14. webnetxpress

    webnetxpress Been here awhile

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    I have a Desert Fox, never used :( or maybe :)

    Very sturdy. But bulky even empty. Thats actually why i have never used it. Too bulky even empty for me.

    I've seen guys use coffee bean bags. The metal, aluminum, foil kind. Seriously. Super thin but strong. Cheap. Good airtight seal on the cap. They swear by them. Takes up no space empty. And cheap. But not built in tie down points.

    Another thread-
    https://advrider.com/f/threads/fuel-in-a-bag.298041/
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  15. flux_capacitor

    flux_capacitor I know a shortcut!

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    Giant Loop has a deal with their gas bags right now where they include the spout and a bag to hold it. Pretty good deal and I thought about buying one but honestly my Rotopax container works just fine for the time or two a year I need to bring extra fuel.
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    What size rotopax? Where do you mount it? Is it a permanent mount or screw on only when you need it?
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  17. Amphib

    Amphib A mind is like a parachute....

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    I hated dealing with fuel bags so I use a 1 gal rotopax mounted to the inside of my symmetrical happy trail racks. I'm using a non-locking rotopax mount, it twists on tightly. I put rubber feet on the rack to give the rotopax some compression. Nearly 10k miles and it stays tight, works great, out of the way, and does not leak or smell.

    If you can zoom in, it's on the left side. I have better pics after install if you want.... Need to find them.

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  18. bozmotodual16

    bozmotodual16 Been here awhile Supporter

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    I really like that approach. With the SW system above you have to drill into your panniers which I don't like. I ride an f800gs so have space on one side and could do the rotopax too. Any other photos or details would be great. Thanks
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  19. flux_capacitor

    flux_capacitor I know a shortcut!

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    I’ve put the rotopax (1 gallon) on my top rack just using Rok Straps. I’ve also mounted it on the pannier rail just using a piece of metal and the normal mounting mechanism for the Rotopax. I’ll try to find some decent pics. I don’t always run with extra gas. Just once or twice a year.
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  20. bozmotodual16

    bozmotodual16 Been here awhile Supporter

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    Thanks for the info! I don't imagine I'll use extra gas much, but with the smallish tank and planning some longer trips I'd like to have the added capacity.
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