"I'm not arguing about riding at all. It's just that there is crazy tough terrain everywhere dood." No wonder you removed that line. Your post makes me out to be a liar when all I did was point out what you just said. This was about appropriate machines. You posted some beautiful pictures and claimed it was some tough rideing. I'm sorry but it really is not. The knarly uphills you post go on for thousands of feet in some parts of the world. Anyway now I've been outed by your 31337 search skills I'll slink off and lick my wounds. Oh yeah the block and tackle. I like to travel and sometimes there is just a ravine between me and the next set of logging roads. My mountain bike I just chuck in the ravine and slide down after it. Then I carry it or if it's steep throw it up the ravine side bit by bit and climb on out to the next set of roads. I will not give that up when I get my dirt bike, hence the block and tackle. There is a cool 4 lb comealong with 35' of wire rope that lifts 700 lb I'm looking at too. I'm 61 now and retired so I want to seriously get out back and I figure I'm old enough to take it easy on a powered machine for a change. I don't like your attitude much but I do like your list.