NASCAR Fans check in. (Haters welcome)

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Human Ills, Jul 17, 2009.

  1. Thraan

    Thraan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    35,424
    Location:
    Bayview Village
    It takes a lot of talent to be fast on an oval. :nod
    #61
  2. Thraan

    Thraan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    35,424
    Location:
    Bayview Village
    Mansell '93 Indy 500 chasing the leaders after getting passed on the restart. Those were some balls to the wall laps. :deal

    Mansell was the only driver to hold the CART and F1 titles at the same time.
    #62
  3. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    103,950
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Oh, lord.

    Never mind. Carry on.
    #63
  4. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    103,950
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    When I first came over here, I sneered at oval racing. How could it possibly be as challenging as road courses? Lame-o!

    But the more I watched, the more I appreciated how entertaining it was. Now I'm hooked. Love ovals. Wouldn't mind a bit if the IRL had stuck to Tony George's original mission statement and raced only on ovals.

    As for safety, to be honest, NASCAR's new car has made them feel so safe they drive really dangerously. Someone's going to get killed one of these days. Some of the stuff I see them doing just boggles my mind.
    #64
  5. Thraan

    Thraan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    35,424
    Location:
    Bayview Village
    :dunno

    Can you back up your claim that it cost the teams hundreds of millions of dollars to redesign the cars? I'm assuming you meant extra dollars over and above the hundreds of millions they spend every year redesigning the cars.

    :norton
    #65
  6. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Oddometer:
    25,878
    Location:
    South (Dog help me) Bay
    Do they redesign F1 cars every year? Usually the rulebook dictates vehicle design to a large degree. If you are saying that F1 is a true open event, I'll buy your claim that race teams spend the same amount of money in design every year.:1drink
    #66
  7. Thraan

    Thraan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    35,424
    Location:
    Bayview Village
    While I've been an on again off again regular viewer of NASCAR, I've been a CART fan for many, many years. The Milwaukee Mile, Loudon, Nazareth and Phoenix bullrings produced some of the best racing I've ever seen.

    Superspeedways aint so super IMHO.

    The run to the flag at the last Daytona race comes to mind.
    #67
  8. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    103,950
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    It's no big deal. You haven't been following the drama in F1 the last couple of years, so no worries.
    #68
  9. Thraan

    Thraan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    35,424
    Location:
    Bayview Village
    2008 budgets - includes design, manufacture, testing and racing.

    Toyota 445.6m

    Mclaren 433.3m

    Ferrari 414.9m

    Honda 398.1m

    Renault 393.8m

    Bmw 366.8m

    Red Bull 164.7m

    Williams 160.6m

    Toro Rosso 128.2m

    Force Ind 121.8m

    S Aguri 45.6m


    I haven't seen numbers for 2009, but they are reputed to be 30% less on average. Go back a few years and news reports had Ferrari spending 600m a year.

    All figures in USD.

    Estimated Budget breakdown, from F1 Racing, based on 2006 season

    [​IMG]
    #69
  10. Thraan

    Thraan Long timer

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2006
    Oddometer:
    35,424
    Location:
    Bayview Village
    That's a cop out. :cry
    #70
  11. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    103,950
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    No. They develop them.

    Every once in a while, for a variety of reasons, often safety, the FIA mandates substantial changes to the racing regs.

    Last year, in response to fan surveys that showed how deep was the fan discontent with the lack of passing, the FIA mandated a complete, very drastic change. The cars are very different. Hugely expensive redesign.

    Top teams (Ferrari, Mclaren) that were competing for the driver's title until the very last race last year, were caught out in two ways: they got behind in development of the new design, and they interpreted a rule about rear diffusers in a different way than did a couple of traditionally less successful teams (Brawn ((was Honda)) and Toyota.) That's the only reason traditional winnows have become big fish this year. With normal development of the current design, expect the traditional powerhouses to reassert themselves next year.

    This year, huge drama as Max Mosely, president of the FIA, tried to ramrod yet more expensive design changes, an arbitrary spending cap, and an F1 with split technical regs - one set for teams that didn't adhere to a cap, and a more liberal one for teams that did.

    That fiasco cost Mosley his job and almost led to an IRL-like breakaway series led by the major teams.

    There's more. But the upshot is that no, this year's redesign is not business as usual. And when the FIA tried to push for yet more expensive changes for next year, it almost killed F1 as we know it.
    #71
  12. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Oddometer:
    103,950
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    You win.

    You're the better man. The best. The superior one.

    OK?

    Let it go.
    #72
  13. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Oddometer:
    25,878
    Location:
    South (Dog help me) Bay
    That sounds totally contradictory. How can a liberal interpretation of the rules be cheaper?
    #73
  14. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Oddometer:
    25,878
    Location:
    South (Dog help me) Bay
    I should start an F1 thread. I'm working on a title, I'm pretty sure the word snob will make it's way into it.:augie
    #74
  15. Yossarian™

    Yossarian™ Deputy Cultural Attaché

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2007
    Oddometer:
    12,745
    Location:
    the 'Ha
    Keep turnin' left!

    <object width="425" height="344">


    <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bG2OcW_Hwkg&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></object>
    #75
  16. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Oddometer:
    25,878
    Location:
    South (Dog help me) Bay
    Classic :lol3
    #76
  17. Twilight Error

    Twilight Error Going nowhere slowly

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Oddometer:
    22,878
    Location:
    The Submarine Mines
    :dunno

    Someone had to throw a brick at this NASCAR Love-in....
    #77
  18. Dano 407

    Dano 407 One Man Wolfpack

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2005
    Oddometer:
    6,482
    Location:
    The orange groves, CA
    Do any of you guys watch Speed Channel's "Wind Tunnel" with Dave Despain on Sunday nights? I believe he does the best job of discussing the motorsports happenings of the week with a critical eye. Some fluff, and some frivolity, but a real discussion each week.
    Robin Miller was on there yesterday and they hold no cows sacred between them; it is entertaining television, if you are into motorsports.
    #78
  19. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2004
    Oddometer:
    39,149
    Location:
    Louisissippi Coast
    I don't go to many spectator events at all. I'd rather being doing something myself than watching somebody else do something. Short track stock car racing is just a damn good time though. I try to go a couple times a year to a local track. I sit on the front row at the finish line.
    #79
  20. exwingnut

    exwingnut Entremanure

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,998
    Location:
    Nor-Cal
    I have a dirt 3/8 mile banked track less than a mile from my house, it is always a good show and worth the money I spend to attend.


    Mmmmmm, sideways. :raabia
    #80