No need for fowl language. Just stating facts. On the original subject of the 650R the MSO does say for off road use. It can meet all of those qualifications but if the MSO says it is for off road use you are still boned. Which was my point. My guess is that it is the same for your 450. It should have been able to be titled but not registered. You got thru... Kudos to you. I know it has been done before... We saw a plated 2 stroke at fifth fest last year that met very few qualifications if you remember. No cop will ever pull you over and give you any grief either which is why I only brought up a scenario of an accident. Cause thats when attorneys get involved. I do work for an attorney and spend way too much time researching law and maintaining compliance. Maybe it makes me too timid. Some choose to error on the side of risk, I choose to just not error. I think we need to get together and ride... It would be a funner argument thru a sena on a shitty Nebraska road!