Need Advise For 2011 Mexico Ride

Discussion in 'Latin America' started by dwj - Donnie, Apr 18, 2010.

  1. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    And here is the update, Thanks to John!

    <TABLE dir=ltr border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=12 width=564><TBODY><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    Visa​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    V/Imp-Exp​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    Insurance​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    Exit Fee​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    F/gate​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Mexico​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    $22​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    $29.70​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    No​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Belize​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    Free​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    Free​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    Yes​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Guatemala​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    $7.50​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    incl in $7.50​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    $3​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    $3​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    El Salvador​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    No?-$10​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    Free​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    No​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Honduras​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    Yes - $34​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    incl in $34​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    $2​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    No​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Nicaragua​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    $7​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    incl/$7​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    $12​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    $2​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    $1​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Costa Rica​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    Free​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    $10​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    $15​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    Free​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    $3​
    </TD></TR><TR><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="22%">
    Panama​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    No?- $5​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="18%">
    Free​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="17%">
    $10​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="15%">
    No​
    </TD><TD height=0 vAlign=bottom width="13%">
    $1​
    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    I always thought insurance was mandatory in Mexico!

    Donnie
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  2. PirateJohn

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    You aren't required to have it and no one will ask for proof. However, if you are in an accident where you are at fault and there is injury and/or property damage you can potentially be sent to the klink until you can post a bond. Insurance will provide that bond.

    I've stopped getting it for my motorcycles. The conventional wisdom seems to be that you can't do enough property damage with a motorcycle to justify the expense unless you do something weird ... like run over 3 nuns in a crosswalk. :eek1
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  3. markharf

    markharf Been here awhile

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    I can appreciate that you think this information is helpful, and I can even appreciate that others must find it helpful as well.....or there wouldn't be people eagerly adding their exhaustively annotated costs to your spreadsheet. Sheesh, I couldn't remember how much I paid to enter, get fumigated, buy insurance and/or hire a professional fixer at any given border if you paid me.

    The other point, well worth remembering, is that aside from perhaps knowing the true, legal cost for entry into, say, Honduras (where people seem to have various issues, though I did not), these sorts of figures have no relation to what it's like actually entering or leaving a country. It's not the rather minimal cost which matters, it's the time and aggravation, which is a function of non-numerical factors including the weather, approaching darkness, obscure paperwork requirements, long waiting lines, and unrelated frustrations. I found Honduras friendly, fun and almost relaxing; I found Costa Rica a royal clusterfuck. I don't remember what I paid at either place, since what difference could it possibly make? Where does this fit in your spreadsheet?

    However......best of luck with your project.

    Mark

    (from someplace very hot, not so very far from Brasilia but not so near that I'm willing to ride there in the dark)
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  4. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    As I have already explained to you, the cost figures were not the reason this was done. I'm sorry that my prior explanation obviously does not satisfy you! Since you feel that you know everything you need to know, the spreadsheet should be of no consequence to you! You may not feel that it is important to know the requirements for Visas,Vehicle Importation, Insurance, Exit Responsibilities, and Fumigation for each country before hand, but I do! I have learned much about what is required during this exercise and hopefully others have as well.

    Donnie
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  5. markharf

    markharf Been here awhile

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    Glad it worked for you, and hope it's helpful to others.

    enjoy,

    Mark
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  6. SkizzMan

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    I first learned how to get in/out of Mexico as the pilot of single-engine air-
    craft where full knowledge of requirements and having everything in order
    was taken very seriously. Having read your post I can't recommend that you
    ever try this. Just sayin'.....:D
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  7. Tricepilot

    Tricepilot Bailando Con Las Estrellas Super Moderator Super Supporter

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    Dude! I'm coming up to Austin, let's meet at Mellow Mushroom for their pizza (:dg ), and let's talk flying. Dude!

    I'm leaving in about an hour with three dirt bikes for Cloudcroft, NM. So, it'll be after that. Be back in a week.
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  8. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    I have flown from Eagle Pass across Piedras Negras in a small plane! Back in the mid 80's when our daughter was a young teenager and had never flown, we went to the airport in Eagle Pass hired a pilot that would take you up for about $60 per hour in a four seat plane. He flew us over both cities. At the time Eagle Pass' population was about 15,000 and Piedras' was 150,000 to 200,000. From the air, PN was physically about three times as large as eagle Pass.

    Donnie
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  9. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    I'm up for that!

    Leaving in the morning with Mark Goodrich and the boys for Victoria-Xilitla-
    Teotihuacan-Pachuca-Puebla-Mex City-Bernal-Saltillo-Aus. Should make for
    a nice little loop.

    Be back in Austin Wed., May 5th in the pm.

    Y'all enjoy NM!
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  10. SkizzMan

    SkizzMan aka SkiddMark ;^)

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    Had no idea PN was that much bigger!

    I hope you & Sheryl get the chance to see Baja from a small plane some day. Flew
    from Sacramento to Mulege and later a trip to Bahia de los Angeles.

    Unforgettable!
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  11. dwj - Donnie

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    I am planning on seeing Baja from the seat of my KLR! :D

    Donnie
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  12. SkizzMan

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    And me from my GS (when I finally get it)!

    But, hey, why not do both?
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  13. dwj - Donnie

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    That would work!

    I was out today riding Sheryl's Yamaha XT225 in gravel, dirt and deep mud. I am amazed at how much better it rides in this type surface compared with my KLR650! And the XT has street tires! I think a Yamaha WR250R is in my future! I had long thought a Suzuki DRZ400S would replace the KLR, but I just can't get over the benefit of the light 225/250 sized bikes!

    Donnie
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  15. abogado68

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    I don't know where you've benn in Mexico, but let me suggest.

    "MEXICO COLONIAL".

    San Luis Potosi, Zacatecas, Saltillo, Guanajuato, Aguascalientes, San Miguel de allende, Queretaro, Morelia, Patzcuaro, Santa Clara del Cobre, Puebla, Tlaxcala, Cholula, Tlapujahua,
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  16. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    I have been to some of them and will be looking at the others!
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    I like that! :clap
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  18. dwj - Donnie

    dwj - Donnie Long timer

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    OK! Departure time is two months give or take a bit. As last year there are no firm plans, just a list of places to possible pass through. We enjoy scenery, water, mountains and all in between. Huge cities, tourist areas are not high on our list. Following is a list of areas we plan on going through. Is there things in these towns that are "must sees"? Are there "must sees" in the general area of these places. We will be in Mexico approximately one month. If we make it to all of these places, fine! If not, we will fill in the blanks next time. Since we are retired and travel every year, it is not necessary to treat any trip like it is "a trip of a life time", because it is not and we will be going back.:D Unless they kill us on this next trip! :rofl We will be on the R1100GS again and prefer to stay on paved and "free" roads, but a gravel road between us and something good is not a problem. Please fill in the blanks!

    Piedras Negras

    Monterrey

    Ciudad Victoria

    Tampico

    Papantia

    Tierra Blanca

    Sayula

    Jalapa

    Huajuapan de Leon

    Chilapa

    MX200 North of Alcupulco

    Istapa

    Zihuaatanejo

    Toluca

    Jalapan

    Lagos de Moreno

    Guadalajara

    Tepic

    Mazatlan

    Los Mochis

    Ciudad Obregon

    Creel

    Villa Aldama

    Ojinaga
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  19. MikeMike

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    Skip Tierra Blanca and Sayula.
    PM me if you want detailed maps of much better riding in Veracruz.
    Skip the coastal area from Casitas towards Veracruz and go for the Xalapa area (how we spell it here). From the Xalapa area you have some excellent riding and then can pick up the southern route and head towards the Tuxtlas and Catemaco.
    Hardly anyone on here has posted much about the other areas of riding in Veracruz, the coast highway from south of Nautla offers very little other than a stop at la Villa Rica de la Vera Cruz beach (historically very important) and the Quiahuiztlan ruins. Both of these locales are far better options than La Antigua and Zempoala (Cempoala) which are the usual stops.
    One of these days I need to post a few day trip ride reports to areas easily accessible from Veracruz that are really interesting.
    Seriously, anyone who has been there will agree that Tierra Blanca and the surrounding area offers nothing of interest geographically nor historically.
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  20. dwj - Donnie

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    Adjustments made!
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