New 2018 750/850GS merged threadfest

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by GS-A-Day, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Trinity_Session

    Trinity_Session Long timer Supporter

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    That would be too hard.
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  2. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Also there is nothing confirmed yet. Might still be a new 800,850 or anything else. One thing for sure is that its not a Rotax engine.
    New beam frame instead of tubed and I don't know for sure but I hope they didn't bring the fuel upfront. It was a strong point with the current model bringing the fuel weight low and centered.
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  3. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    Looks like the fuels up front to me

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  4. hellyhans

    hellyhans Been here awhile

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    Yeah I know...I'm just hoping it's not lol

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  5. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    I'm not to excited when it comes to speculations... but I must say this news got me surprised in a bad way. I'm on my second F 800 GS and been lucky or not, never had any of the common issues reported here and around where I live. Must say I ride it commuting and travelling (long distances trips around S.A. and Brasil), and I think that's the main explanation for why I don't have any problems at all with the machine.

    That been said, I'm pissed with the "big news". My plan was trading my bike for a new one, trowing every accessory and mods made from the old to the new. And, well, looks like it won't be possible. And with the prices they work here in my country, just lets say it's a huge amount of money I'll be dealing with, between trade offs and buying new mods.

    Another huge question about how long this will hit Brasil: they just released the F700GS here... will they just take it from the line up? it could be a really big kick on the balls of those who bought it.

    Maybe I just take a 2017 just for the sake of getting a new bike, zero mileage on it, maintaining my accessories and mods, waiting for the problems that we all know always come in those new models. Of course, I will loose money down the road, but I think it will be less than what I see I can loose on my mods and parts, buying new ones AND, fixing potential problems with the new model. And considering how BMW can be a bitch to deal with here in my country... Yeah, gonna stick with the "old" model for now. Hope they drop the price a little (don't believe in it tho).
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  6. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    The new one will have to be good, or id be doing the same things, it will take a year to run old ones out, and you dont even know when this one will hit. Although it does look almost production ready so youd assume its going to be the 18 model.


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  7. Zlock

    Zlock Been here awhile

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    If the gas tank has in fact been moved up top, it's possible that the FxxxGSA and the R1200GSAW could use the same panniers now that the exhaust is on the same side. That would help in numerous ways.
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  8. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    Ive had Sertao
    F700GS
    And I've had a 15 F800GS since new 27,500km, It will take a lot of bike to get me off this.

    Love the torque, powers enough for me, fuel spoofer smooths it out, in Aus our top road speed limit is 110kph it does it with ease, and the usual mods all taken care off.

    Looking forward to the new release to see if it tempts me, but im in no hurry.

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  9. ADVwxyz

    ADVwxyz yep

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    Not at all interested.
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  10. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Don't think so, as the muffler has been moved to the left side. And this is a set back in my opinion. Let me explain: to do the basic maintenance on the chain on the "old model" you have to deal with the "higher" side of the bike (on the side stand)... As for the panniers, yes, you can stick with whatever you have. BUT, in my case, as I have accessories attached to those panniers... well, maybe I'm being to picky right now, but, fuck, what could possibly be wrong with the muffler where it is now? Move it to the other side for what? To be more close in the looks to the 1200? And the gas tank? I mean, the center of gravity on this bike is second to none...! No, I don't think this is a good move. Bring the Nuda engine... take some weigh off of the original muffler, redesign it; give it better suspension, admit the bike has a problem with the shock bolt and address it; recognize it has a issue with its whole fuel pump design and all the venting lines connected to the tank and deal with it... but to address the market with another uncertainty (because this is what a new bike actually is with all those gadgets nowadays)... and let me ask again, what the fuck will they do with the F 700 GS and the people who bought it?​
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  11. soldierguy

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    I was looking at the pic for evidence of adjustable forks. Left side doesn't seem to have any adjustment...the cap looks exactly like the existing one. Right side...it's hard to tell. So it might have at least one side adjustable, which to me suggests just rebound damping adjustment.

    But that's just my old eyes looking at a small part of a less than perfect picture of a pre-production bike.

    On a different part of the bike, it looks like wind management should be better. Looks like there's a relatively smooth piece underneath the windscreen, with a gap between the windscreen and that piece of plastic. That suggests a variation on the Givi Airflow or Madstad theme...get air underneath the windscreen to expand the bubble of calm air and reduce turbulence. That's a good thing. And with any luck, the mounts for the stock windscreen will allow easy aftermarket screen fitment, and perhaps even some adjustability.
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  12. Merlin32

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    Well looks like you have a lot into your 800. Full suspension makes it formidable and hard to top. A better balanced and handling bike beats more horsepower on the trail any day.
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  13. Zlock

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    The bike in the spy photo has right side exhaust like the water cooled 1200GS. Assuming the gas tank has moved, that would allow the big adventure and the little adventure to use the same panniers which would really help the availability of aftermarket panniers for the little adventure. I totally agree on the fuel system issues. My F800 wouldn't run after the bike sat in the hot sun in a parking lot while I was at work. The best solution BMW could come up with was to remove the charcoal canister. That fixed the problem, but you better hope Arizona doesn't start emissions testing bikes again. I ended up trading the bike anyway.
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  14. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Here in Brasil we don't have the charcoal canister, but I had the opportunity to see a bike with this problem during a recent trip. We were up in the Andes, with a variation in altitude between 2.500 meters above the sea level, up to 4.973 meters... At that period of time we experienced temperatures not that high, sometimes pretty lower temperatures actually. When I took the picture bellow the temperature was 8° Celsius.

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    My mate's bike is a 2011, I have a 2013, both bikes with almost the same mileage, around 30.000 km when we star the trip, last february. This gives me the first clue about the issue: clearly my bike seems to see a lot more usage than his. I really believe this prevents me to have the same issues he had up there, during our trip. Anyways, I digress and what happened is documented here: http://advrider.com/index.php?threa...-gas-please-help.420546/page-36#post-31562018 between posts #713 and #719. My point is the problem is not a charcoal canister's fault. I do believe the venting lines design is the real problem. They become a liability over time, mostly when the bike is not being used a lot. Therefore, they start to allow vacuum inside the tank, making the fuel pump to work harder and harder until its death. That's only a theory, maybe a really bad one, as I'm not an expert or a mechanic for that meter. I just ride my bike.

    As for the panniers, just to clarify, I already have them. A set of Touratech's zega pros. They have something around 70.000 km. Had them on my first F800GS (I put 53.000 km on the first year and a half and the dealer offered me a good deal on a 2013 model so I jumped on it and took everything of the previous bike with it). You can see my current bike here:
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    As you might noticed, there's a lot going on there. From small bits, like ABS's sensor guard (believe me, really important, as I saw a failure on a bike without it three years ago in a very shitty situation); up to the crash bars, with comfort seat, custom made rear rack in between, break lever extension... you name it. It´s not that simple. Changing the panniers' position wouldn't be a problem if I have not that fuel canister there. Can you see the potential problem there? Giving you one more reason: I ride two up a lot. My wife enjoys big journeys on the bike with me. So the fuel canister won't work in front of the rear peg. It must be removed to a similar position on the other side. Doesn't seem a big deal, BUT we must do another set of drills on this particular pannier, an idea I don't like because it's a new opportunity for failure.

    Hope I'm not bordering you guys with this type of things, I know they are very personal and hard to understand, as I know the aftermarket and second hand market work in a hyper different way in U.S. Excuse my english, it's hard to express yourself in a foreign language. I'm here to answer any question.​
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  15. Zlock

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    I got you. The redesign wouldn't let you use your old accessories on the new bike and that is a concern given how much that stuff costs.
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  16. arjones

    arjones Roads and Waves

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    Amazing how I could say this without that massive post...:lol3
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  17. OzRider64

    OzRider64 Friggen slow Adventurer.

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    Mm, very interested.
    But one thing I've learnt over the years with first model BM bikes, is I wait for the second year to come around.
    I remember when the K series came out in the mid eighties, BM said no matter how much testing they do, the consumer will always find out problems they couldn't.
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  18. BygDaddee

    BygDaddee Where do I get a pie

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    So your worried about the chain being on the left hand side as it will create an issue, even though 80% of bikes with chain drives already have it on the left and have done for decades.

    And your questioning what people who have bought 700's will do. I guess they'll just keep riding their bikes like they bought it to do, and buy a new bike when they finish with it like they would have done anyway. BMW aren't stopping selling parts for 700's and 800's, and aren't stopping servicing them so I must be missing an issue. Unless you haven't been looking every manufacture brings out new models so anyone who buys a bike and thinks it's never going to change and every accessory will fit every model from the on needs to look around at what really happens in the world.
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    Maybe we should all spend some time on a Royal Enfield or a Ural to keep our " Appreciation Levels " up:bow . Now that I have my suspension upgraded and not on iceberg watch for potholes :ace I'm happy :thumb
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  20. Cruz

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    You forgot about the DR650.
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