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Discussion in 'Moto Bellissima: All Other Dualsports' started by gimpo, Oct 14, 2019.
Sooooooo, sooo huge!!
Looks like an automotive muffler they flung on there.
I'd rather have it that way than in a few different places. It's easy to just remove the end cap and replace it, which would be what most would do anyway.
Unlikely. RS660 listed dry weight is 372lbs it is heavier than MT-07.
It is pretty early to speculate on the minutiae. Yes, I'm excited to see more development in the dual-sport / adventure arena from Aprilla to compete with the Japanese and Austrian options but, we are still pretty far away from anything tangible. Simple things like final displacement and suspension are still an open issue so, I'm not going to get tied up in knots over things like tire and brake disc sizes or total weight today either.
Aprilia may not bloat the Touareg as much as Yamaha did for T7 from the MT07. Plus it will have some modern electronics unlike the T7.
If it has a dash thats newer then a 90's Palm Pilot the electronics will already be more "modern".
That's quite possible though same bike in adv disguise usually gains 30-50lbs.
Ideally the weight gain should be 20-30 lbs excluding additional fuel capacity. But the Japanese usually do worse than that.
Except for Versys X 300
True. Also the CB500X
With regards to the Yamaha T-7, it will continue to be a price leader and appeal to people who don't want a bunch of electronic nannies. Whether this is good or bad depends on the individual and their real-world uses, not "Walter Mitty" fantasies.
Yamaha motorcycles in this type of target market and audience are driven strongly by price and styling so, at least to me, have a 'built to a price' quality to them. Not bad but definitely a bit cheap feeling. Not really what I want in a new motorcycle. If the price was bumped up modestly and a higher quality 'feel' was added, I'd be much more likely to purchase.
The V-Strom was based on the same engine that's in the SV, but it's not an SV with longer suspension. People expected weather protection, a real seat (both rider and pillion), a luggage rack (and carrying capacity capable subframe), longer travel suspension, a bigger wheel (in the front), etc. etc. And it didn't come that far off from that target weight gain. But that by itself still doesn't necessarily make it a "good" off-road machine.
Yamaha has the same issue with the T7. A T7 gained about the same additional weight (over an MT-07) as the V-Strom did, but despite that, it's a much more off-road capable bike than the V-Strom. Weight obviously is an important factor, especially to those of us that tend to ride alone, but not the only factor and you can't really say that any bike that is X lbs heavier than it's naked stablemate is automatically going to be a bad off-road option. It's going to be a pain to pick up, that I don't doubt.
BTW, a Duke 790 is about 400 lbs (wet) and an Adventure 790 is 469 (while carrying 5.3 gal vs. 3.7 in the duke). Even if you subtract 12 lbs for the extra fuel, there is a ~50 lbs difference.
Good post. You are correct that going from a naked to a model with a rear subframe that will take the luggage and a tail rack, add stiffer longer travel suspension, and then a 21" front wheel, and is it any wonder the weight adds up? This doesn't even account for fuel tank changes either.
We will see. The places T700 gained weight vs MT-07 are fork and new frame and swingarm; the gain shouldn't be as drastic RS660 already has USD forks.
more like T7 Photo-slop
Yes, a Photoshop image that seems to have originated from Japan based on the Aprilia forum (another site).
A partial shot in the 'bushes' at EICMA has really stoked the fanboys with artistic skills!
Below 200 kg would be the magic number in the metric world, which would be 5 kg less than the T7. I think this could be achieved with LiFePo, tubeless tires and maybe a more modern, lighter engine. Price will be over 10.000 €, but not by much.
The RS 660 has fairing, beefier suspension and breaks, and dry weight is only 5 kg (164/169) more. (But also 25 more horses)