New, FI, Air Cooled Honda CRF250F

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by FoggRider, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. Yinzer Moto

    Yinzer Moto Long timer Supporter

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    29-31 hp out of a XL250R? That is impressive.

    I know there is a way to calculate frontal area and wind drag, then extrapolate that into the amount of power to go a certain speed. 100+ mph is going to require a good amount of power.

    I think the bike that this thread is about is well shy of that number.
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  2. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    That 250 Hercules was an air cooled 250 two stroke and to be competitive in the ISDE back then they needed to be able to top out fast, since a speed test was included. Some of the small bores had eight speeds. I actually never said the CRF would do triple digit, but a 7 speed would give it a lot more range.

    The thing is I actually rode a 7 speed and know what it's like. Have you? Speculate all you want, but the fact is it was geared for virtually any single track trail that can be ridden and also be able to leave that trail and cruise at 75-80 mph with a bit more to spare. I would say if a WR had a seven speed it could very likely do that.

    Whether you would want it is beside the point, a fair number of us would like to be able to gear down serious, yet still be able to hit the freeway comfortably at 70 with a bit more to go. I ran a 13/47 on my 250 and it was perfect off road, but I also ran a 15/38 and it would cruise 70 mph. I'd love to have both in one gear box with one sprocket set. I've been there and done that, I'd take a 7 speed in a heart beat.

    Like I said, wishful thinking. One other cool thing would be if Honda stuck a dual range on the bike. If you ever rode the dual range Big Red ATV you'd get it. That thing could pull stumps in low range, but only topped out at maybe 30 or so. High range gave it probably upwards of 50 mph or more. Not that you wanted to go that fast with those bouncy tires.
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  3. EastBoundAndDown

    EastBoundAndDown Ron - 300XC-W DR650 T1050SE

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    I have ridden a hundred or so 7 speed bikes. 6 is better.
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  4. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Your opinion. I have mine. A shame everyone can't find out for themselves.

    A hundred? I'm impressed, you are fortunate. What ones? You must be darn near as old as me. Even being in a dealership in the 80s and riding from 1970 to date I've actually only come across that one. They were rare as hen's teeth back then. Pretty amazing to actually get to ride hundreds of them. Back then a six speed was rare.
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  5. Dsharp

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    Wow! The first person I've seen who knows what a Hercules is (was). As a kid, I traded my Yamaha in for one, 250GS, to a local bike shop that had them on sale at blow out prices. I had no idea what it was at the time, just knew that I was getting a new dirt bike for a great price. This was back in 80', I believe.

    I remember that I was a bit disappointed the first few times that I rode it, because it had a very different feel from the yz250 that I was used to riding. But as it broke in, I quickly realized that the bike would flat out haul ass on the trail and pretty much any terrain. Though they weren't technically street legal, they did come stock with lights and a speedometer, typical of European enduros. I found an old license plate from one of my previous bikes and duct taped it to the rear fender. Wala! It was dual sport. The local cops never bothered me. And yes, that 7th gear came in very handy on the road, with a 1st that was lower than walking speed.

    In retrospect, I had more fun on that bike than probably any other I've owned. Long story short, my current bike is a Beta. I guess some things never change...
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  6. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Cool! Another who's ridden a 7sp Hercules.
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  7. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck Supporter

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    I had a 7-speed Herc for a brief time. It came in a stash of Bultacos I bought. I cleaned up and rode it a bit. Then peddled it on to a Sachs dork that would appreciate it. I had too many of the 6-speed DKW equivalents that were hard enough to find parts for. That 7th gear was wild. But pretty unusable on much other than fairly flat highway.
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  8. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    You mean like the place most dual sport riders would like one more gear?

    I know the Sachs gear boxes were rather touchy and, unless one knew the adjustment process, a source of a bunch of false neutrals. A friend raced one and had the gear box down pat.
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  9. Bultaco206

    Bultaco206 Back-to-back motos suck Supporter

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    No, as in wouldn’t pull it well with much grade.

    I actually vintage-raced a DKW one season. Never really had the Sachs false neutral issue. I was much faster on an SL150 I had that competed in the same class. And I didn’t have to deal with the Earles forks on the Honda.
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  10. Bama67

    Bama67 Cooler in real life

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    Anyone bought one of these yet?

    Looks like a logical upgrade for my wife after the KLX140G.
    We live at 9400' and go up from there and could use some more torque.
    I vould have fun on this as well.

    I currently ride a KDX200 but have always preferred 4 strokes.
    Wonder what meager hp this puts out? Haven't seen it anywhere.
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  11. Hair

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    Try selling 'entry level' to Rick.
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  12. ramz

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    Bought, got the T-shirt, broke-in, modified, ordered $1000 worth of parts, ready for big-bore top end.

    http://rickramsey.net/CRF250F.htm

    Just kidding. First ride is today if it warms up enough and doesn't schnoo :wings

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  13. RideFreak

    RideFreak Torque Junky

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    No disrespect to Rick at all. I guess my point was, for that price it's a good entry point for a new rider, they aren't getting saddled with a heavy bike that will stunt their riding development. That kind of bike is what honda has always been good at building.
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  14. Kyron

    Kyron Oncler Inds

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    I'm surprised it doesn't have the 250L fork, just for the looks of being a "modern" bike

    Honda really must have a warehouse full of #rightsideup forks?
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  15. wdsracer

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    Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the new bike Rick.
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