New SuperTen Final Drive failure??

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by Wasp, Aug 2, 2010.

  1. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    NAH...:clap Nothing to see here folks...
    Just checking if I could hear the sound of thousands of worldwide Beemer owners simultaniously punching the air and shouting "YES,,, IN-YOUR-FACE!!!"... :evil

    I pulled the rear end apart tonight to see how it comes apart.
    Did you know these had a cush drive??? Common sense really but I didnt stop to think about it.

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    The splined cush drive plate installed in the wheel.

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    Dont fuck with the FluxCapacitor... And never cross the beams.:D

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  2. Gravehunter

    Gravehunter Been here awhile

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

    Send those pics to BMW so they can figure out what they been doing wrong all these years!
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  3. Buckeye56

    Buckeye56 Batoutahelius

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    Wasp,

    OK you got me good with that one!
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  4. dcstrom

    dcstrom Long timer

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    Wasp, Got me to! But was thinking, if anyone was going to break one, it would be you...

    Trevor
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  5. pinglow

    pinglow Adventurer wannabe!

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    I hope the cush drives don't wear out or crumple as fast as the xtz660:cry
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  6. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    Huh:huh.. They are chain drive.

    Greg.
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  7. R3B

    R3B Lazy Motorcyclist

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    The rubber compound of the used cush rubbers in the XT660 and Derbi MH are prone to dehydration, so shrink within a few moths, resulting in play on the cush drive, making gearchanges a hit or miss operation, but it is easily fixed with some old innertubes :-)

    Buying new cush rubbers had no use, same rubbers as new...
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  8. TDMTAM

    TDMTAM Been here awhile

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    Wasp you are a Bad man:rofl
    When I seen your post I thought oh bollox thats ammo for the BMW camp.
    Glad to see all is well though.
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  9. ~TABASCO~

    ~TABASCO~ www.rideonadv.com

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    Your crazy !!! :lol3 Its not even Friday ! :freaky
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    I had to check the calendar. I thought it was April all of a sudden... :rofl
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    :rofl Bastard!!
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  12. whisperquiet

    whisperquiet Motorcyclist Supporter

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    And I didn't have a chain failure on my KLR, Tiger, or DRZ...small world, isn't it.
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  13. GB

    GB . Administrator Super Moderator Super Supporter

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    Thanks for the pictorial... so what's this about not putting a magnet near that part :scratch?

    was there enough lube on the splines from the factory?

    p.s. if you're going to fool around with us, you can at least give us a pictorial of how to remove the rear wheel :deal
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  14. (none)

    (none) poser

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    I know, right? I want to see what's so special in there.
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  15. eakins

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    that could be a part of the abs and it's magnitized?
    look at the web bike world rear pics and see the rest of the unit.
    my guess is that part spins past the abs pickup unit and detects lockup.
    if the magnetazition of that ring is damaged/changed then system is probably no worky.
    looks like that ring can be replaced from the wheel.

    if it needed lube honda moly 60 would be the lube of choice.

    not the exact same parts but...
    wheel removal is the same as fjr (this bike did not have abs)
    http://www.fjrtech.com/getdbitem.cfm?item=19
    http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-tires/avon-storm/
    shaft comes out and then wheel pivots outward on the non final drive side.
    that's why the end of the non final drive side is so small, so the wheel can pivot out (on the splines) and pass by the end. on the web bike world pic it looks like the swing arm is natuarly gapped some from the wheel spacers and then squezes in when the bolt is tightened. i'd bet the s10 is the same

    so wasp, did you pull the final drive off (4 bolts & the final drive is off and oh yeah it's sealed) and check the factory lube on the input spline.
    http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/splines.html
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  16. eakins

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    easy. german arogance has keep them them admitting defeat w/ a single sided swing arm and thus putting too much lateral load on the bearing for the weight of the bike.
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  17. (none)

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    Right...because Honda has had so many bearing failures with all the VFRs. The SSSA isn't the problem, poor quality or poor manufacturing are the problem.
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  18. eakins

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    vfr doesn't weigh as much and doesn't use the additional linkages (which need even more support) that bmw has because the drive is a chain (new vfr is too new to say and that shaft drive does not have that additional linkage near the final drive like bmw). completely different engineering concept. on that note i do remeber the hawk gt eating chains quicker than other bikes.

    sure there can be mfg. issues but bmw is asking the ss paralever rear to do too much for heavy bikes to start with and then people easily add several more 100lbs of weight.

    of course you own one so you're sold on the cool-aid and we could argue all day long. you're argument is it's not a fundemenatl design problem. had 2 beemers and loved em, but there is an unresolved issue here. i'm looking to the new yami super tenere to provide the benchmark for ultra reliable beasts, maybe even surpasing the strom.

    ...that's just my opnion.
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    CLASSIC ! :lol3
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