New To Adventure Bikes

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by cyrider, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. Lost Cartographer

    Lost Cartographer Been here awhile Super Supporter

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    Currently own both a Vstrom 1000 and an Africa Twin.

    Was planning on selling the Vstrom after I bought the AT, but the Vstrom is so much better on road that I kept it.

    For what you are describing the Vstrom would be a much better choice...

    EXCEPT

    The cockpit of the vstrom is a bit small. If you are 280# you might feel cramped on that bike.

    I also looked at getting a R1200GS, but when they break they break in a very expen$ive way. I test rode 8 (yes eight) 2007-2012 R1200GSs and finally gave up on finding one that didn't have clutch judder or weeping between the engine and trans.

    No experience with the Tenere.
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  2. Nihon Newbie

    Nihon Newbie Weirdo

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    Can only really chime in to say 3 things:

    1) Firming up the suspension on an AT is neither difficult, nor particularly expensive, considering how much people spend on things like exhausts and fancy luggage.

    2) The AT is a great touring bike. Have "only" done 600 mile days, but it did so smoothly. 21" front wheel and long travel suspension eat up rough roads.

    3) It lacks passing power. Redline is 7500rpm, and 90mph is 5100 with my 155lbs on it. Go WOT while cruising at 85 and nothing much happens right away.
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  3. Jeffo

    Jeffo Been here awhile

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    I had an S10 for a few years and it was a great bike, couldn't fault it at all. It was just down to me that i couldn't handle pushing around its 260 kilo weight anymore. So i rode tested the V1K, being 30 kilos lighter i thought it might suit me better. But the way the Strom carries it weight, i couldn't tell much difference in weight between the Strom and the S10. The S10 is also better on fuel than the Strom and the S10 is a better quality motorcycle with longer valve check intervals at 24K. I've always preferred the Wee over the Vee as well, in all its model years.
    If i were looking for a larger adv bike atm, i would take look and a test ride on a Yam T7, before looking at anything else.
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  4. Amphib

    Amphib A mind is like a parachute....

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    I found the passing power better than I expected...... Always with a downshift. There's enough room in the rev range to kick it down while at 85.
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  5. Nihon Newbie

    Nihon Newbie Weirdo

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    I guess I just feel that in the saddle and on paper, its power to weight ratio is lacking. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker, I still love it, but just putting it out there for people looking at the platform.

    That said, it certainly blows the doors off my KLR! :D
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  6. DirtyRoadie

    DirtyRoadie Been here awhile

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    My Electra Glide does amazingly well on nasty dirt roads, even 2 up. I just have to take my time. That being said, I also have an S10 that is much better off pavement and just as good on pavement. Your wish list sounds like a definition of the S10 in fact. Good luck, it's always fun shopping for a new bike.
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  7. foo

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    My approach to this is to get a short list of bikes (this thread) and then read the specific threads devoted to them. Can take some time and you typically will skip over thousands of posts but you will get a feel for the good and bad on each bike. From there you decide what is important which further reduces the potential bikes. Then test ride and hopefully that makes the decision easy. Maybe...
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  8. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

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    For my riding AT works but for what you want s10 would rock.BMW has pretty crappy dealer network.
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  9. neanderthal

    neanderthal globeriding wannabe

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    Fair, but you're not going to get neck snapping acceleration at 85mph if you're not on a literbike or supercar. I thumb a downshift whenever I want to go WOT. I've never been disappointed.

    Except, maybe, when I was relocating. I'm 240lbs, so ~265ish in full gear.

    IMG_20180701_195606715_HDR.jpg
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  10. cyrider

    cyrider Adventurer

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    Here's an update for everyone on where I'm at.

    I have now test rode a 2017 AT and a 2018 KTM 1290 R. I can get the AT brand new for 9500 OTD from my local dealer who just got like 15 of the 2017 AT's in. The KTM is a brand new left over that was a "demo" bike for the owner of the daler, but only has 40 miles on it. OTD price on the KTM is 15,500, with panniers included.

    I've gotta say, I loved the KTM. It was an awesome bike, powerfull, comfortable and pretty much everything I want, except that I'm afraid of the KTM reliability/dealer network/all their other crap, and it's 6k more (5k I guess since I'll be putting panniers on the honda too).

    The AT was a nice bike, smooth, comfortable, but uninspiring and the suspension was horribly soft for my weight. But the reliability, price, and dealer network give it another leg up. If I go with the Honda, I will be doing suspension work to it this winter no doubt.

    I'm still debating. The other thing I have to consider is if I get the Honda, I can keep the other two bikes I have in the garage too. If I get the KTM, one of them will have to go or else my wife will be getting after me. the more motorcycles the better is what I say.

    I did go look at the Vstrom, and that was enough to remove it from my consideration. I have been to 5 or 6 yamaha shops in the last 2 weeks all over the midwest, and have yet to see a super tenere. Apparantly they are all waiting for the 2020's. I saw a used 2012, but I would want a 2014 or newer if I go s10 and I think it's the ugliest of the adventure bikes. The search continues!
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  11. fastnlight

    fastnlight Repeat Offender

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    Super 10 is a aolid option, but look at and ride a VFR1200x if you want a bit more for your needs/size than the AT provided.

    Greg
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  12. cyrider

    cyrider Adventurer

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    Never did provide a final update to this. Ended up finding a 2013 1200GSA for a good buy that had all the luggage and everything already on it so I bought that. Pretty happy with it so far. My plan is to ride it this year and next, then probably opt for a KTM1290. The power of that bike on the test ride was just awesome and thats probably the biggest thing over my 1200gs. I will most likely test ride a 1250 before I make a decision.
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  13. Bullseye45

    Bullseye45 Adventurer

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    Good thread. I've been looking to consolidate possibly or just get another bike for adventure trips. My current adventure bike is a Road Star 1300, but I'd never think of taking that 800+ pounder off pavement for any distance. Have a CR250R 2-stroke for pure dirt/woods riding and an old Harley Sportster 883 for bar hopping. So started looking at a more proper ADV bike to do 70-80 road and 20-30% off-road. I'm 6'4" 240 lbs and been looking at mid-size bikes (AT, 790R, T700, 650 V-Strom, etc), but wasn't till this thread I thought maybe going bigger isn't a bad idea. At 46yrs I'm not going to be trying to take this thing up a rocky singletrack or into a muddy potted out 4-wheeler trail... this will be mostly road miles and fire-roads. Would love to make some trips out west to visit friends. Anyway, congrats on the bike brother, and thanks to all the suggestions I've added the S10 to my list. Probably go used so it's pre-scratched and I can move past that whole phase of worry.
    Cheers,
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  14. cyrider

    cyrider Adventurer

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    Its hard to find a bike that can do everything well. For me and my weight, the midsize adv bikes just aren't big enough for me to put long days on the slab on comfortably. I have enough experience in dirt and off road that I think I'll be able to get enough out of the big adv bike (gs1200) with the right tires to keep me happy. Everything is a compromise though. I even considered getting one of those small single dirtbike type trailers and putting something like a crf450 (the dual sport version whatever that is called) on it and pulling it behind my Harley to wherever I was wanting to go. But, common sense prevailed and I decided that probably wasn't quite practical with gear needed for off road etc.
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  15. AwDang

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    Congrats!
    Test ride a Tiger 1200 too
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  16. vfrmike

    vfrmike Adventurer

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    leftover vfr1200x's are less then 10k....super motorcycle, power, shaft, reliable. Plus seems you like V powered engines.
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  17. Vikingtazz

    Vikingtazz Will ride for food.

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    For my money, the S10 is still the choice if I were looking for a 2up do everything motorbike.
    Let us know how the GSA treats you.





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  18. squish

    squish Out of the office.

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    I know two guys who jumped from a super tenere to an africa twin.
    Two guys who jumped from R1x00GS and someone who went from GS to DL1K to Africa Twin.

    Me I would go with Africa Twin,the DL1K.

    I currently ride a R100GS and a DL650
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  19. eakins

    eakins Butler Maps

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    700-800 mile days...that sounds painful.

    You want a touring bike / ADV bike then and I'd say a Super Tenere or big GS.

    The S10 is a shaft drive and will run forever w/o complaint.

    Any of the big touring ADV bikes are a compromise of course and thus you'll be on a big pig if the roads gets rougher. Sorry you won't discover the unicorn either.

    Gravel run and you'll be fine. Tons of good gravel in Colorado.

    You might want to study the.mullet thread to figure your front tire for that E07 rear as you need distance tires
    https://advrider.com/f/threads/look...tch-a-mullet-with-a-e07-gps-k60-rear.1136324/
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