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New Xmax 300 !

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by wibble, Sep 16, 2017.

  1. shoeb

    shoeb Long timer

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    I never got the TMAX; it's just SO nearly a motorcycle that it's hard to justify (for me personally) against a much cheaper NC750X DCT.
  2. ClearwaterBMW

    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner Supporter

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    The tech version of the TMAX.... Is $15,000, making it almost 3 times the price of the XMAX... in the US
    they sell plenty in Europe and I'm sorry does and offered here, but at that price, I cannot imagine who would buy it

    on the OTHER hand, the Kymco AK550 Will be in the United States by this summer. For those who really want a maxi scooter
    probably closer to $11,000... FWIW
  3. CaptnJim

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    By that reasoning, the Smax should have it, too, huh? "Better" is a perspective thing. For some of us, heavier and faster isn't necessarily better. I'm guessing Yamaha has a pretty good handle on what actually sells in any of their markets... and in the US, the Xmax may be the sweet spot in the lagging scooter sales situation. Actual cruise control is desirable on a bike that is going to be used for droning on down the highway. There are better touring options with full dress bikes if that is the mission... and on those fully loaded bikes, adding electronic cruise control wouldn't be a significant percentage of the bike's cost. Not just the right "tool" (in this case: bike) for the job, but the right accessories, as well.
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  4. ClearwaterBMW

    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner Supporter

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    Everything you said is true
    in MY perfect world (which might be irrelevant to everybody else) every single bike and scooter would have as an option, electronic cruise control
    I purchased the XMAX 300 and will never get rid of my Kymco Like 150i, because I wanted something for longer distance travel. When I didn't feel like lugging my GS adventure around
    Electronic cruise control would be something I would have paid more money at the time of purchase to have on the XMAX... Even if most people would not
  5. kaertner

    kaertner Long timer

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    Just bought my 2nd Xmax 300. I share my time between 2 countries, so now I have a white 2017 and in March will have a Silver 2020.
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  6. kpinvt

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    I had the Silver Wing pictured to the left for a couple of years and stupidly traded it away in 2009 for a BMW G650GS. I bought a 2014 Honda NC700XD to get that automatic scooter feeling back, it ain't the same. That's why I'm looking at the Xmax 300.
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  7. ClearwaterBMW

    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner Supporter

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    Congratulations
    that is awesome
    I am just getting familiar with mine... . I'm hoping to do more so this evening after a 10-hour day at work
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    kaertner Long timer

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    Ridden 13,000kms on my 2017
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  9. ClearwaterBMW

    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner Supporter

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    that's awesome
  10. FreewheelBurning

    FreewheelBurning Been here awhile

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    Remind me of a quote from the movie Contact (1997): "Why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret. Controlled by Americans, built by the Japanese subcontractors."

    Regardless, congrats! Now you're not missing out on fun riding in either place.
  11. FreewheelBurning

    FreewheelBurning Been here awhile

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    I don't get that at all. I was comparing a 300cc scooter to a 500cc scooter. And you bring in a 750cc motorcycle as a better justification? Keep this in mind:

    • Difference of 200cc vs 450cc
    • Chain vs belt (zero cleaning & maintenance with belt)
    • Underseat storage vs no underseat storage (ok the NC750X got a small storage room up front)
    • Keyless vs no keyless
    Does the NC750X DCT even got Cruise Control, which is what triggered my question in the first place?
  12. FreewheelBurning

    FreewheelBurning Been here awhile

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    My mission is everything, from twisting forest roads to highways, city traffic and all in betweens. The XMAX does all this, personally I think it's a good option for every journey I've travelled so far. If I have good time and weather is nice, I stay off highways and go for more entertaining routes. But once in a while I end up on long distance travel on highways, and it would be very nice to have cruice control then.

    If Smax riders are willing to pay for it, why not? I guess it depends on how common long distance highway riding is for the various models and sizes. Maybe it is uncommon to use XMAX for this purpose? I don't know what others use the Smax or other bikes for, but I use XMAX for pretty much everything (except off-road dirt and long gravel roads).
  13. shoeb

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    I wasn't responding to you directly tbh. Just sharing a thought on the TMAX because it came up, and I very clearly labelled it as a personal opinion. Chill, bro.
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  14. ClearwaterBMW

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    back to our original scheduled programming...
    got out of work early (like every friday) and went down to Gulfport
    not exciting..... but, SO enjoyable
    the XMAX is fantastic... more so every time i go for a ride

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    Some people thought they were metal.
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    If it breaks into pieces, sharp pieces, it might be more significant than you think.
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    I am spoiled and want cruise control on all my bikes too. My RT has it and was part of the reason I bought it. My arthritic wrists need to relax to make those high mileage rides. Cruise control is easiest to add to a bike that has "throttle by wire" , so the XMAX probably won't get it unless it gets the electronic throttle.
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  18. Wdoney

    Wdoney Been here awhile

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    Keep in mind that the XMAX was not designed for the US market and how we ride. The XMAX is made in Yamaha plants in France and Indonesia for the European and Asian markets where the requirements are different. I doubt if a cruise control is much of a consideration and they will sell far more scooters there than here in the US. In fact the XMAX as a 250 and 125 has been sold there for over 10 years. We are just an after thought. Lucky they even brought it over here. Honda has apparently decided we are not worth the effort and has not brought over the redesigned Forza.
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  19. ClearwaterBMW

    ClearwaterBMW The Examiner Supporter

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    you are right about the XMAX... it is a no go forever for this model
    but every bike and scooter should have that option
    after anti-lock brakes it's the most important electronic assistance a motorcycle can have
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  20. Glen e

    Glen e Been here awhile Supporter

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    Last year, I almost traded my CTX for a Yamaha 900 tracer for the simple reason that it had cruise control. Yup, you need a flyby wire throttle to do it. Frankly I kind of go against the grain, I’m a Huge techy , I don’t mind my bike becoming more complex. I would like to see a much more of a bundled feature options on bikes that would include everything electronic:
    • iPad like display (TFT), (starting to show on some bikes now)
    • true ACTIVE cruise,
    • auto signal cancel,
    • full Bluetooth/CarPlay/android auto/XM
    • oil level sensor,
    • blind spot/lane alert,
    • Adj magnetorheological suspension
    • driving modes,
    • ECM/GPS parking alarm,
    • tire pressure readout,
    At these things could be standard on a touring type pkg. Honda is already doing it on their cars now in the US, it includes many of the above items under one option called “Honda sensing”… Nothing on the list above is new, and is being done by some veh mfr now.


    And others I’ll think of later… If they can make it reliable on cars, they certainly can do it on bikes.
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