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Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by wibble, Sep 16, 2017.
Entirely too heavy for a scooter.
I never got the TMAX; it's just SO nearly a motorcycle that it's hard to justify (for me personally) against a much cheaper NC750X DCT.
The tech version of the TMAX.... Is $15,000, making it almost 3 times the price of the XMAX... in the US
they sell plenty in Europe and I'm sorry does and offered here, but at that price, I cannot imagine who would buy it
on the OTHER hand, the Kymco AK550 Will be in the United States by this summer. For those who really want a maxi scooter
probably closer to $11,000... FWIW
By that reasoning, the Smax should have it, too, huh? "Better" is a perspective thing. For some of us, heavier and faster isn't necessarily better. I'm guessing Yamaha has a pretty good handle on what actually sells in any of their markets... and in the US, the Xmax may be the sweet spot in the lagging scooter sales situation. Actual cruise control is desirable on a bike that is going to be used for droning on down the highway. There are better touring options with full dress bikes if that is the mission... and on those fully loaded bikes, adding electronic cruise control wouldn't be a significant percentage of the bike's cost. Not just the right "tool" (in this case: bike) for the job, but the right accessories, as well.
Everything you said is true
in MY perfect world (which might be irrelevant to everybody else) every single bike and scooter would have as an option, electronic cruise control
I purchased the XMAX 300 and will never get rid of my Kymco Like 150i, because I wanted something for longer distance travel. When I didn't feel like lugging my GS adventure around
Electronic cruise control would be something I would have paid more money at the time of purchase to have on the XMAX... Even if most people would not
Just bought my 2nd Xmax 300. I share my time between 2 countries, so now I have a white 2017 and in March will have a Silver 2020.
I had the Silver Wing pictured to the left for a couple of years and stupidly traded it away in 2009 for a BMW G650GS. I bought a 2014 Honda NC700XD to get that automatic scooter feeling back, it ain't the same. That's why I'm looking at the Xmax 300.
that is awesome
I am just getting familiar with mine... . I'm hoping to do more so this evening after a 10-hour day at work
Ridden 13,000kms on my 2017
Remind me of a quote from the movie Contact (1997): "Why build one when you can have two at twice the price? Only, this one can be kept secret. Controlled by Americans, built by the Japanese subcontractors."
Regardless, congrats! Now you're not missing out on fun riding in either place.
I don't get that at all. I was comparing a 300cc scooter to a 500cc scooter. And you bring in a 750cc motorcycle as a better justification? Keep this in mind:
Difference of 200cc vs 450cc
Chain vs belt (zero cleaning & maintenance with belt)
Underseat storage vs no underseat storage (ok the NC750X got a small storage room up front)
Keyless vs no keyless
Does the NC750X DCT even got Cruise Control, which is what triggered my question in the first place?
My mission is everything, from twisting forest roads to highways, city traffic and all in betweens. The XMAX does all this, personally I think it's a good option for every journey I've travelled so far. If I have good time and weather is nice, I stay off highways and go for more entertaining routes. But once in a while I end up on long distance travel on highways, and it would be very nice to have cruice control then.
If Smax riders are willing to pay for it, why not? I guess it depends on how common long distance highway riding is for the various models and sizes. Maybe it is uncommon to use XMAX for this purpose? I don't know what others use the Smax or other bikes for, but I use XMAX for pretty much everything (except off-road dirt and long gravel roads).
I wasn't responding to you directly tbh. Just sharing a thought on the TMAX because it came up, and I very clearly labelled it as a personal opinion. Chill, bro.
back to our original scheduled programming...
got out of work early (like every friday) and went down to Gulfport
not exciting..... but, SO enjoyable
the XMAX is fantastic... more so every time i go for a ride
Some people thought they were metal.
If it breaks into pieces, sharp pieces, it might be more significant than you think.
I am spoiled and want cruise control on all my bikes too. My RT has it and was part of the reason I bought it. My arthritic wrists need to relax to make those high mileage rides. Cruise control is easiest to add to a bike that has "throttle by wire" , so the XMAX probably won't get it unless it gets the electronic throttle.
Keep in mind that the XMAX was not designed for the US market and how we ride. The XMAX is made in Yamaha plants in France and Indonesia for the European and Asian markets where the requirements are different. I doubt if a cruise control is much of a consideration and they will sell far more scooters there than here in the US. In fact the XMAX as a 250 and 125 has been sold there for over 10 years. We are just an after thought. Lucky they even brought it over here. Honda has apparently decided we are not worth the effort and has not brought over the redesigned Forza.
you are right about the XMAX... it is a no go forever for this model
but every bike and scooter should have that option
after anti-lock brakes it's the most important electronic assistance a motorcycle can have