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Discussion in 'Electric Motorcycles' started by emtkopan, Sep 23, 2016.
Have you ever driven a tesla? I have and "nearly boring" is not how I would describe them.
I have not driven it by myself, but four of my friends own a Tesla so I drove with them a couple of times. For my taste it is somehow a boring design and even the powerful acceleration is not enough for me to get excited about it (but no question that thing is a rocket on the drag strip). Yes it is an awesome car, fantastic technology and for sure the future. However, I drove all kind of different combustion engine Porsches, Audi R8, AMG Mercedes, BMW M, Corvette and even some Rally Cars. In many of them I had a bigger smile in my face. Also with combustion engine cars, I still prefer the older models, the newer cars are more like sitting in a spaceship.
Furthermore for me a car has to be fast on the Nurburgring Nordschleife something Tesla had not managed so far (at least from what I know). But this is just a matter of time and this will also change (the Zero E-Bike was fast at Pikes Peak)
Again this is my personal opinion, but with the E-Motorcycle something just does not make "click". I really want to like it, but without sound it is not really the same. However, one of my friends has an BMW i8, a hybrid, slower than the Tesla but I like it much much more. However way out of my budget for sure.
I could never "love" an electric anything, no matter how practical or efficient it might be. It has no personality, no character. It doesn't shake, it doesn't make noise, you can't tinker with it, it's no different from a washing machine or a refrigerator. It does a job. when it wears out you scrap it and buy a new one (used to even washing machines and refrigerators could be fixed, but now they are 100% disposable) And yes, I own a Harley. I also own a 2 stroke manual shift scooter. I love them both. Just thinking about riding them makes me smile. I can guarantee I will NEVER own an electric or hybrid vehicle. That includes a golf cart. I hate that game and swore 50 years ago that when I got old I would never play it. I prefer riding ICE powered bikes and hot rods instead. They have been my lifelong passion.
I think ICE will be under pressure from legislation and an increase in rarity of spares as combustion engines are no longer made or supported by manufacturers. Many governments around the world are saying no more ICE vehicles in the (not always specified), future. Anyone who doesn't like electric will just have to lump it or get a horse.
I would rather ride a horse. At least I can have feelings for a horse. But I have nothing to worry about. I'll be 59 next month. And I already have 6 ICE powered bikes, enough to last the rest of my riding life. ICE powered bikes will be around for many decades to come in the U.S. I'm sure all the major manufacturers already have plenty still on the drawing boards which won't even be available for several years. You don't go from ICE to batteries in a single decade.
I don't always agree with Jerry, but when he's right, he's right. On this, he's right!
Jerry might be technically correct today but after a decade or so not so sure. Fossil fueled vehicles will still be with us, but electric will be much larger than a niche in 10 years, even in the foot dragging US.
Change is happening fast in Europe and China, because of government intervention, and with public support.
Market forces will eventually do the same thing in the US, despite the current administration's push towards fossil fuels and away from renewables.
I doubt there is any sound or vibration that appeals to riders of H-D that can't be duplicated electronically. H-D has shown to be very good at concealing new tech and building an electric motorcycle that sounds and feels like it has an ICE engine should not be hard to do. Riders just have to remember to plug it in, just like their cell phone.
Yeah, ironically, no sound and vibration is a couple of the things I love about my Zero DSR. I can ride long on it and arrive half as fatigued as an ICE bike.
With cars and trucks, yes. Motorcycles, no. People may not even need drivers licenses in 20 yrs with the autonomous cars and trucks but we will still be buying fueled motorcycles for offload. As motorcycles go, we are largely motorcycle owners for hobby. Parts of Europe and almost all of Asia look to motorcycles as daily transportation. A minute percentage of motorcycle owners ride them daily for their main transportation. We love our cars and trucks on the road and motorcycles for off road and on weekend jaunts through the twisties. We have the cheapest fuel in the world and until that changes no one is going to leap into smaller cars and motorcycles/scooters as daily drivers. Our feds won't allow this to happen because we are so dependent on cheap fuel for the economy. 30 years? Maybe.
Took a ride on the Victory Empulse... which i think was a brammo. Was a little odd that it still had a multi speed transmission and a clutch... but it was quite a bit of fun. Reminded me of something like an SV650 on batteries. The silence is weird, but you can hear everything else around you and with the torque... who cares. Expensive and the range was so-so, but at the right price I could see it being worth it.
I like the sound and "feel" of my bikes, especially my 2T enduro bike. But being able to ride in near silence through the trails is fraggin cool.
Nope but we might have to. Funny the nay sayers talks like the ICE engines are the old school. While the really old school is the electric engine...
btw i like torque. Boat loads and i don´t want to wait on a turbo to spool up or the ICE to rev high enough.
Until there are so many on the road, and you can't keep up with them.
Agree on the fairing thing.
How much Kwh pr 100km? My Leaf is eating 18kwh pr 100km in winter time and 13kwh in the summer.
I ride a Sportster, a scooter, and a dual sport bike. I have no interest in speed. But I do want to be able to hear and feel the engine, and of course I want unlimited range. Most of my rides are well over 100 miles, sometimes out in the middle of the desert, and almost always on backroads. Battery power just doesn't cut it.
Like I said it doesn't happen overnight. They are building at least 3 new gas stations in my area right now. And I already have 6 ICE powered bikes. I think I'm safe.
Yeah, my Husaberg TE300 was awesome, loved that bike. On the 3000 mi tecate to cabo and back trip, the vibration was a killer. The newer models with the counterbalancers are supposed to be much better, so likely that is less of an issue now.
So that'a little tricky to calculate, but some quick math says I get 6.5-10 mi per KW, so if my math is correct, I'd say about 6-10KW per 100km. Like ICE bikes, it varies based on abuse. My Ducati would get 65 mi/gal if I paid attention to laws, if I rode it like I tended to, I saw as bad as 29 mi/gal.
Steam. Just saying