NomadGal's Year on the Road

Discussion in 'Ride Reports - Day Trippin'' started by NomadGal, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Jettn Jim

    Jettn Jim This is Liv'n!!!

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    You can also use a large steel punch/aka drift from the local parts store. Yes Brass is better but I use steel with care.

    You'll wanna move the inner wheel spacer off to one side a bit and then catch the bearing edge with the punch/drift and tap it out. Heating the circumference of the aluminum wheel (the area holding the bearing in place) will help it fall out easier.

    And like AKXR4 said freeze the bearings for at least 20min, and heat the wheel really good. Then use a socket that is a little smaller than the outer bearing race, and tap it into place. The more temp difference the easier. If no sockets close enough use the best you've got and some large washers to cover the bearing. And also clean out the wheel well and then grease the wheel and outer bearing surface after taking it out of the freezer and the plastic baggy.

    When the wheels are heated really well and a frozen bearing used they nearly fall into place.
  2. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    Today I discovered that there are things I just can't do without the proper tools! AKA remove wheel bearings!

    Went and bought a drift, they didn't have brass so I just got a regular one, as well as a snap ring remover (those darn little buggers kept sliding of my pliers!!! :huh )
    Then because I read this guy's post about getting an expanding concrete bolt and snugging it up inside the bearing to use it to tap the bearing out, I bought one of those as well.
    Darrin had stopped by to drop off his torch so I could use it to heat up the area around the bearing.
    Full of confidence and joy to finally get to the important parts, I started on the bearings
    Well…………………………..

    Let's just keep this short as my frustration would probably ooze out of my words….
    concrete bolt would not snug up, so no go
    The drift lost it's sharp edge after 5 minutes worth of tapping with the area totally heated.
    It got so rounded it would not even stay on the narrow ledge of the bearing.
    Strike one for today

    Then Darrin dropped by again with his kids on motorbike (his son on a 50cc and his daughter sitting behind him)
    He also saw how little room there was for tapping and offered to file my drift down so it had a sharp edge again.
    He came by a little later to drop it off and also gave me a narrower drift he had.
    While he was gone I attempted (yes sadly that is the only word that's appropriate) to remove the allen bolt from underneath the fork.
    I could hear the whole thing spinning inside!
    Strike two for today

    Then after taking a shower so I could get anywhere remotely near the wedding dress, I drove to drop off the dress and get paid.
    Here comes strike three!
    I'm guessing she lost some weight! my measurements came out exact, but it was loose on her.
    So now it's hanging back in my garage/home needing to be taken in.

    On my way home I noticed that Mithrandir (my car) was smoking! AAhhh, what now.
    It smelled like burnt rubber, so I am guessing CV boots??
    The oil level was fine, so thank goodness no blown engine.
    Would this count as a strike 4??

    And just cause I'm stubborn, I decided to give the tapping one more try, and now I not only have my drift rounded off again, Darrin's drift is now looking the same!

    I decided that I had enough of today, tomorrow David, Solarmoose is helping me with removing the bearings and getting the bolts loose on the forks.

    I'm hoping tomorrow will be a lot better!!!
  3. L-ucky-S-ix

    L-ucky-S-ix Dadgum'd

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    A very common smoking issue with cars is oil dripping from the valve cover gasket onto the exhaust. Sometimes the smell from this takes on a few different kinds of flavors. Check for leaking oil. The CV boots _can_ throw grease onto the exhaust as well while turning at certain angles carrying enough speed. Those are easy to see since a tear in the boot ends the life of a CV joint fairly fast.
  4. ninjadance

    ninjadance PAW

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    ....she does realize that alterations are not included in the price of the dress?!

    an >appropriate< size socket on an extension can be used (with wood supporting) to remove the bearing. boiling water expands the aluminum

    i really hope today goes better! we're all pulling for you, and you've got a lot done very nicely already:D
  5. TwilightZone

    TwilightZone Long timer Supporter

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    >"It got so rounded it would not even stay on the narrow ledge of the bearing."

    Curious... what size hammer ? Sometimes you need a big one.
  6. Tompound

    Tompound M.M.S. Tommy

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  7. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    Hmmmm, interesting! But do I really want to take the risk of damaging that perfect little cover???? Also he didn't wash the other grease out, and I have been told to never use 2 different types of grease together. I did like his idea though.:D
    I am pretty impresses with the bearings though as I have had these ones in since Moab, about 39,000 miles ago. And I am not sure how long they had been in there before as it was Jettn Jim's rear wheel.
  8. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    I am pretty sure its one of the CV boots.
    Winter in Alaska can shred those rubber thingies!! -50 is not kind on rubber
  9. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    Yeahhhh, I really have a hard time asking for money! LOL. Thankfully I can take most of it in by just moving the zipper!

    Yeah, it's different on a KLR. The bearings fit snuggly in a socket and the only way to get to them is from the other side by moving the internal spacer a little to the side which exposes about about 2mm of bearing which is not a lot to tap on. My drifts/punches where getting totally wasted.
  10. AKDuc

    AKDuc Alaska Born Ducatisti

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    I'm sure he'll be a great help. Please say hello for me. I really enjoyed visiting him and his wife when I was up there last month.

    Sorry I missed you then. See you in Dawson City in a few weeks.

    Good luck and have fun, Mark H.
  11. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    Today was definitely a lot better albeit kinda traumatic!!
    I am one of those weird people that love going to the dentist! So I set out happy that I was finally getting my teeth worked on. While in the chair the doc was numbing me up and boy did he take a long time!!! How much novocaine was he using??
    My whole jaw and tongue were utterly dead, I've never been numbed that much.
    Then they put this contraption in my mouth that kept my jaw open and was supposed to suck the saliva out, only it didn't feel like that. Of course with my tongue dead I took me a while to figure out how to swallow but he told me I couldn't.
    It literally felt like I was drowning and after two tries I told him to just do it the old fashioned way, I just hold my mouth open, and the nurse suctions, simple! He didn't really like that but hey, I'm the one in the chair and paying for it….:D

    Afterward I drove to Solarmoose's house and he helped me get the bolts and nuts of the forks.
    One bummer though, Either I had ordered the wrong seals or BB sent the wrong ones, needles to say that now I didn't have the seals to put my forks back together. Yikes!
    David took one look at the wheels and bearings and figured he really couldn't help me with them. They were even harder than the ones on Cee's bike!

    Before going to the dentist I had stopped at the Kawasaki place and got some fork oil and brake fluid, and I swung by again on my way back to get the fork seals.
    I asked them how much they would charge to remove the bearings in the wheels, and he quoted me $50 at least unless they ran into trouble and then it would be more. AARGGHHH!:eek1
    I decided to swing by the Suzuki place on Van Horn, and ask how much they would charge.
    The guy asks me if the wheels are still on the bike and I say no, they are in my car. He says to bring them in to take a look. I then told them I only need one bearing on each wheel removed, that I could do the other one no problem.
    He days ok, that will be Ten bucks!! Yippeeeeeee!!
    It took him less than 5 minutes. meanwhile I was "trying on" a really nice Suzuki adventure bike. I looked at the engine and it looked really easy to work on as well, could see where all the part where, water pump, oil filter, cam chain tensioner etc. Very similar to the KLR except that it was not a thumper. Nice bike!

    I was sure happy to get home, and once there I found that my helmet is ready for pick up at the post office tomorrow!! I'm so excited, I really splurged on this one!
    The boots I had ordered however turned out awesome, well at least the left one, the right one got assembled wrong with the arch part on the outside of the foot instead of the arch side! Hmmmm, that person must have had a rough night! The replacements are on their way though :D
  12. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    Thanks Mark!
    See you there!!
  13. Tompound

    Tompound M.M.S. Tommy

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    The little seal comes out very easy, no need to worry about damage, just a tiny jewelers screw driver and it pops right out, as far as grease goes, there is usually so little in there that it does not matter and as long as you are using a good quality wheel bearing grease not a problem.
    And are you sure old Jim did not do this to the bearings that are in there?
    Anyway just thought this might help and keep you from doing it again sooner than you would like to.
    Safe travels
  14. Ratman

    Ratman Lucky Rider

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    NomadGal, your getting some good info here about wheel bearing greasing.

    The load on moto wheel bearings is nothing special. If that have grease they will go more than a 100000 miles, maybe even 500000 miles.....but they get run in water and are hardly ever regreased. A moto hub will run warm from brake disk heat, and if you co into a puddle over the axle then the water cools the hub and the air inside the hub shrinks . A vacuum is formed and water is drawn in past the wheel seal. Once water gets into the bearings and they rust, then is when a bearing will actually disintegrate. People change them because they are cheap and they want to be safe.

    BTW wheel seals usually get bent up a little when you take them out. I always delicately flatten them out again and use them over. The seals in my Sabre are approaching 300000 miles.
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    But in your case 20$ worth of bearings is a bigger deal than it is to a guy or gal with a job....as it is to me being retired and on fixed income.

    I've been picking out that little shield on the side of the bearing and regreasing them for years, and I don't take the bearing out of the wheel to do it. It comes out easy and you don't hurt it taking it out. Practice taking them out of the old bearing.

    Actually that little shield in the bearing doesn't do much as the wheel seals keep the mud and water out of the bearing, mostly. That little bearing shield is just an extra seal.

    If you regrease your bearings every time you change your tires, (or every other time) you will never have to worry about changing bearings again.

    ....and if you don't regrease your bearings there is no telling how short they will last.....and you already know what a pain changing bearing can be, so why not learn bearing maintenance.....you learn everything else so well.

    Everything else, that is, but alcohol stoves. :evil

    This is a little bit of bearing lore. Most factory bearing are singles side shielded bearings. So you pick out that shield (I've been calling it a seal) and then you can shove grease all the way thru the bearing and excess will end up beside the spacer piece between the bearing.

    If the bearings are a 2 side shielded bearing then you can't shove grease all the way thru, but you can still put grease in the bearing and put the shield back in.

    The other way after market bearing come is 2 (both) side sealed bearing. Those are sealed with rubber, and not shielded, and I don't know how you can grease them. I used to buy those for my motos, but I no longer do since I can't regrease them.

    Maybe someone else know how to grease those. Next time I run into one of those I'm going to figure out how to grease it....Prolly drill a hole in the rubber seal or summat.

    .........anyway think about all this, and put it into the back of you brain for the future.

    good luck with your trip. I'll be lurking about as you ride along. :clap PM me if you have any questions.
  15. just jeff

    just jeff Long timer

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    The double sealed bearings are preloaded with grease and should not need greasing for the life of the bearing. That said, you can purchase from most auto parts stores a "needle grease fitting" essentially a hypodermic needle mounted to a grease zerk which goes into the end of a standard grease gun. The pointy needle end can be carefully slid between the inner race and the rubber lip of the seal with no damage allowing grease to be injected into the bearing.
    I ONLY use double sealed bearings in my motorcycles.

    Regards....justjeff
  16. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    I am so unbelievably mad at myself right now!!! Or at least I was, now I just shrug and figured oh well, I messed up, I'll deal with it tomorrow………
    I did end up greasing the one-sided bearings but didn't open the double sided ones.
    I was so proud of having successfully installed the bearings in my front wheel (having frozen them for 24 hours in their plastic packages) until I lifted the wheel up and saw……………………………………

    I am sure you can figure out the big OOPS I made!

    So I'll head back to the Suzuki store tomorrow and ask the guy to take one of the bearings out again! :cry:cry:cry:cry

    The rear wheel install went great with one exception. I got sent one bearing that was not sealed at all!!!!
    I looked in the book and it seems that the stock bearing on the inside of the wheel where the cushion is, is not sealed at all. Bummer, wished I had known that cause I would have ordered a sealed one. As it was I just greased the heck out of it and hope no water gets in there. It is covered by a small metal spacer and by the bearing from the Sprocket, but still, seems odd to have an open bearing there.
  17. Ratman

    Ratman Lucky Rider

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    If it was me, I'd dig one of the shields out of your old bearing and put it where the shield should go. Might have to whittle on it a bit to make it fit. Stick it there with grease till you get the wheel assembly on the bike.

    I do it all the time but you aren't supposed to use bearings that have been hammered out.....as you're transferring the beating to the balls and the inside of the races.
  18. garfey

    garfey Scruffy Adventurer Supporter

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    ... the center spacer, just lying there. Rest assured you're not the first to have done that. :shog
  19. NomadGal

    NomadGal Esther

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    Today is my last day at Barnes and Noble, and tomorrow my last day teaching at Joann's!!!
    Spirit is starting to look like a motorcycle again, and the main thing left to do is clean up the forks and put new oil seals and oil in them. Not sure yet how I will tighten the alan bolts on the bottom as I had to get help from Solarmoose to get them off. An impact drill is pretty awesome!!
    It's gonna be a very busy 10 days before I leave, (still have a bunch of little fixings to do) but I can't wait to hit the road again :ricky

    Maybe I'd better remind Baldy to put me back on the ride reports soon.
  20. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah Been here awhile

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    Gotta tell you I was worried about the you getting through the winter - Shouldn't have been and it sounds like it was a piece of cake! Mostly because of your attitude.

    Looking forward to hearing about you travels this summer and seeing more of those delightful pictures.

    Travel safe!