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Discussion in 'Australia' started by Precis, Sep 26, 2019.
Watch it for the scenery if nothing else.
No I wouldn't... it had nothing to do with the bikes they've ridden Russ (be it BMWs, Triumphs or these the Livewire Harleys)... for me, it was the way that the "oh, we're just two regular blokes out on a life's adventure" aspect was portrayed (with a full blown film support cast and crew on the other side of the camera).
The go-pro based you tube style travelogue's that many other individuals have produced over the years - on all manner of different make motorcycles - many of which have been posted here on ADVRider and elsewhere - are more interesting or relevant to my point of view.
You have ridden extensively in South America Russ... the scenery is without question some of the most breathtaking and panoramic (big wide open spaces) vistas that can be witnessed.
I will grant you that...
part of me wishes they had of done it on the original bike they showed in the first episode, that Ewan built for the trip.
Shows them trying to start it, then setting the air filter on fire, then remembering to turn the fuel on.
we’ve all been there.. me, more than once perhaps.
I guess in some ways they’re regular blokes, just with way more money..
Nice pattern on those bike pants, anyone know where I can buy a pair in Oz?
I thought he was still in his pj's
It's Hollywood XR650 chic channelling kasuyaho
I’m gonna keep quiet..
No comment from me on his style choice.
can we all agree that we don’t make fun of the clothes they wear, or the bikes they ride..
I watched that scene and laughed at his pants and thought “he’s got clown pants on, what a dumbass”
and then looked at his feet and went “ahh fuck, I have those”
At least I have a DR not an XR. I don’t think I could deal with the trifecta of bike brands.
I could never get into any of their series. Before LWR was released my wife bought me the book, which I am surprised I finished reading to be honest. There were numerous things that really annoyed me.
The huge dummy spit by Charlie when KTM would not give them bikes and he didn't want stodgy old BMW's (and this was before I had ever owned a BMW), they were both worth millions then (especially Ewan), if you want KTM bikes, shell out the 20 grand for each model and get on with it. If I was BMW after reading that part I would have never dealt with them again.
Then they were constantly complaining they wanted to go around as "ordinary people", not celebrities. Ordinary people don't have the GM of BMW calling Putin to get them past the Russian border because they didn't have the correct paperwork. They didn't like the police meeting and escorting them through the trouble areas to mayor receptions in the small towns (even though they were admitting they were shit scared of being kidnapped), so don't have your PR people calling ahead telling them some big name celebrities are arriving soon.
The first half they were whining they missed their wives and children, even though they talked to them every night for at least half an hour on their satellite phones then spent the second half of the book whining they didn't want the trip to end. There are heaps more like wanting to emulate some guy who did the trip decades before for the first time, he did it on his own, not with an extra bike for the camera man/mechanic and 2 fully equipped support vehicles and half a dozen other "helpers" like more mechanics, chefs and PR people smoothing the way through everywhere and organising everything. They pretty much just turned up on the day and away they went.
Now for my vent on electric vehicles. I have nothing against them as such, I just wish there was more honesty about their supposed "greenness". In the early days a true comparison of the Prius and a petrol Landcruiser was done, factoring in emissions in their manufacturing, as it is a big process to make lithium batteries. It was worked out even if the Prius used no petrol the two vehicles would take around 160,000 kms before they broke even in total emissions. The Landcruiser would probably go at least another 100,000 before any serious maintenance was needed but the Prius would probably need new batteries, so back to square one. Hopefully those sorts of numbers have improved for the electric vehicles.
The one thing I thought we would be a lot smarter about is "whole of life" planning would be done on any alternative solution to all aspects of our environmental problems. An example of what I mean, there is still no environmentally sustainable solution to disposing of lithium batteries, let alone recycling them. At least in this country anyway and the same goes for solar panels. Have you seen those bloody windmills up close during construction? We rode past god knows how many in SA ten years ago. The blades were all stacked on the side of this dirt road in massive timber crates with one blade per crate and they were all made and transported from Denmark. I cannot imagine the emissions generated just in transporting them let alone their manufacture, installation and eventually demolition and disposal/recycling. They would have to generate a bloody lot of power to offset that but are they then any better in the long run than modern day coal technology? Read the book Apocalypse Never by Micheal Shellenberger, a greenie through and through. Windmills don't just kill birds, they are blamed for a reduction in insect numbers of over a third which is a big problem for horticulture and the environment as a whole. We seem to be jumping from one fad to another without long term thought but then not reviewing our methods based on results as we don't want to admit we were wrong (add in there is too much money at stake in pursuing these fads).
Rant over, back to normal service.
You know how that Landcruiser got to where it Is? 100 years of development Maybe?
The prius had to start somewhere. And I dare say it's started in a better place than a model A Ford.
And why wouldn't you want charge your car at home? Gotta be way better than dealing with the servo.
You kind of missed my point and I did mention that a lot would have improved by now. Charging at home is fine if and when it works. The Jaguar Ipace as an example will charge off the power point but it will take forever. The cost of a dedicated fast charger is near $5,000 and will only work if the grid in your area can handle it. The Harley Livewire charging at home, according to the review in the latest AMCN, takes 12.5 hours. find a DCFC level 3 charging station and it only takes an hour. All that is for 200 odd kilometres of riding. All this will eventually improve with development and has done in the last decade.
"Whole of life" still has not been considered here. Harley won't say what a replacement battery would cost. There is no recycling or disposal methods available for the buggered battery, once every car and bike on the road is electric what will we charge them with? where will all the used batteries end up? Can we afford to upgrade the grid to handle the demand? Current service stations are packed most of the time and cars take 5 minutes to fill up, how big will it be when everything has to park for an hour, at least? It has been talked about for many decades that oil will run out, what about the rare earth minerals needed for the batteries and other electronics, how much of that do we have left?. We know the Tesla's catch fire in accidents and pretty well cannot be extinguished, that needs fixing somehow.
New technologies are great but we should be much smarter now and not just go wow, how good is this, here everyone have some subsidies to start making them without looking ahead and going OK, what are the consequences of this long term and have solutions before they are massive problems like the ones we supposedly have now.
Early days in the problem solving for sure.
It’ll be interesting times ahead.
Someone invented the light globe and we eventually all got electricity,
then someone invented cars and petrol stations were invented.
Then someone invented the internet and some of us now have nbn.
Early on man just invented things without a thought for future repercussions.
I figure the next hurdle will perhaps be uniformity to a degree, for mass production.
Surely it will narrow down and we will get to some sort of petrol vs diesel, or metric vs imperial, analogue vs digital stage type scenario.
Time and infrastructure cost will be the killer on this “planet saving” idea.
There’s a lot of realestate on a vehicle as well, maybe solar will progress as a supplement.
Instead of hybrid petrol electric, maybe we get electric solar next. No idea.
Mandated vehicle free city centres will come into play more for sure.
All way beyond my little brains comprehension.
I saw mick doohan ride a moto e bike at PI.
My first thought was meh.. it doesn’t go vroom vroom..
maybe it’s a good thing dinosaurs like me will be gone one day, to allow progress to seem normal.
My only attachment will probably be in a few years, when I want a faster mobility scooter than my mates.
I'm sure Ewan and Charley chose the bikes they did, to add view counts as well,
and to create a reason to talk about Long Way Up.
And I’m okay with that. It’s a show about bikes and mates.
At the moment, I miss riding with my mates.
You're missing mine.
You're comparing a technology that has been refined about as much as it can be with a technology we're just starting to develop seriously.
One tech with massive cultural capital and another tech with pointless resistance.
And the answer is trains anyway.
From what i have read Teslas new "1 million mile" battery has a long life after its been used as a car battery. That takes it down to 80% capacity then they will be used in home power banks, charged by solar during the day then used to charge your Tesla at night.
Not perfect but better than what we have ATM. And yep still very early days in solar/battery technology.
My personal opinion is that all this stuff won't matter, because in 50 years or so everything will be stuffed due to the population explosion. All this talk of electric cars just to carry people around, but no mention of replacing 5-600 HP tractors, trucks etc except for hydrogen, maybe. There's just know way we'll be able to feed everyone, and that's when the shit will hit the fan, except there won't be much shit due to starvation... Oops I'd better be careful, just had a 4 day ban.
Just finished watching the 2nd & 3rd ep.
Stunning cinematics & scenery.
BUT!!! what a pain in the arse they're having with charging!!
They are forced to sit on no more than 30/40mph on perfect straight slab roads in order to try & reach their destination each day.
They have to top up with large diesel gensets on the back of a diesel truck regularly.
I'll watch to the end.
Still struggling with ‘why’
I haven’t watched it but I’ve seen Baldy’s chat with Charlie. Why not just do loops around LA or New Mexico.
Geez - a Hollywood superstar who's a genuine motorcyclist and not a Boulevard cruiser, gets together a professional movie crew and rides to places every real rider wants to go, injects lots of spectacular scenery, some humour and lots of riding - and people bitch about it?
Not a particular fan of McWhatsit or of Thingy, but they've ridden where I'd love to go (or have been) - so they used their star status to get free bikes - wouldn't you do exactly the same?
Enjoy it for what it is - ADV-rider travelogue by proxy and all without getting cold, wet, lost, ill - or costing tens of thousands of moneys.
I think when they get to warmer climes most of the charging problems will fix themselves but it does bring into focus the suitability of electric vehicles in the winter & cold climates.
Maybe global warming will fix that?