OT- Any pilots in Denver?

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by Bad Wolf, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf High functioning sociopath

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    Yep, and @oldmanb777

    Well, just turning 47 at the end of the week and probably making the dumbest decision of my life. I would say it is a midlife thing, but I have wanted to fly since I was able to understand airplanes exist...maybe since 4 or 5 years old and it never happened.

    I am about to sign off membership at Aspen Flying club. Small planes rent for roughly $100 an hour wet. I am doing groundschool and some hours when I can afford it.

    I am looking to connect with pilots and sponge some knowlege, tips, tricks, advise, networking and maybe sharing some flight time. Right now I am thinking I would rather fly small planes than the big passenger aircraft, but that may be out of ignorance. I was thinking line inspection or maybe corporate jet stuff in my future. I know there is some demand out there, but it takes some steps and crazy amount of expense to get where I'd like to be.

    So, crazy to switch careers at 47? I feel I've achieved what I can with my current career.

    I know we have a few pilots here, just need local brains to pick and hang with.
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  2. youngan

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    I work as a glacier pilot (Bush pilot that lands on glaciers) in Alaska for about six months each year. Fly tours out of Boulder the other six. Started flying at 31 years old, but didn’t start doing it for a living until I was about 46. It has worked out great for me. I say go for it. Right now, there is a pilot shortage, so good time to be one. You’ll have some years getting to where you can get paid to fly, but the shortage is likely to last for a while.

    Happy to chat if you want to come up to Boulder sometime. I’m here until April, when I head back north.

    Andy
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  3. nwcolorider

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    We did a glacier class in 89. One of you crazy pilots landed us on a glacier and left us for 6 days. It was awesome!
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    We must have liked you; we came back. ;-)
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  5. AviatorTroy

    AviatorTroy Long timer

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    Our company can’t keep pilots, and not because there’s anything wrong with it. It’s just that anyone under 40 these days goes straight to the airlines as fast as they can. I’m extremely happy flying corporate but also have it pretty good flying a very nice airplane for an energy company out of APA. I can tell you that they list 1500 hours and an ATP as the minimum and that would be for an SIC position in a beechjet or a Citation. The large auditing and accreditation companies like ARGUS and WYVRN have all the say anymore and they require anyone in the cockpit flying a trip for them to have 2500 total. Oh, and even a retired airline captain can’t be a PIC at our company without 250 in type. It’s become very difficult, as the time requirements have gone up at the same time the available pilot pool has shrunk considerably. So yes, it’s a pilot’s dream market right now and will be for the foreseeable future but you still have to have a way to get to the magic #s. Hit me up if you want to chat about it. Good luck it’s very rewarding
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  6. swimmer

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    Out of curiosity, what's the motivating factor for those under 40 wanting to fly for the airlines when demand seems high in other sectors?

    Interesting topic OP.
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  7. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf High functioning sociopath

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    I was watching a Youtube pilot who flies for Netjets. I believe he is 1st Off.

    At any rate, I had to laugh when his first video he started off as ," no one told me this would be the peice of equipment I ended up using most" as he held up a bottle of leather cleaner and conditioner.

    His stories seem fun and aggravating and interesting all at once. Probably an outfit I would have interest in, but doesn't tell me how often I would get to be home with the spousal unit.

    Speaking of the wife...her brother is a helicopter pilot and seems to be frequently shuttled off world wide. He supposedly loved to travel until this job.

    I love to travel too, would doing this change that that much? What about dealing with spouses who love to travel too...is there jealousy involved or ways to get them whereever to join me on off days when I find myself in Bora Bora?

    Chance is incredibly supportive, but I wouldn't want this to turn into a strain on the relationship.
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  8. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf High functioning sociopath

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    Big money? Fame? Emirates can't seem to keep pilots and they pay about $500k tax free with 42 days paid vacation a year and corporate housing in the UAE. I can be lured. Hell, they have a no experience needed fast track training program in house (but have to be a UAE citizen to get it).
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  9. Lomax

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    I say go for it. I flew for many years and regret getting out of it. Of course at that time the economy and the glut of pilots and airlines going under it was not a good time. I would love to get back in the game. If anyone want to checks me out to put some hours on your bird let me know :lol3 But danged it has been quite a while.

    So go for it. Get that license.
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  10. flybigjet

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    27 years AF and 21+ years in the airlines, and *still* a copilot in the Life Sucking Tube of Pain (i.e. the Guppy).

    There's ALWAYS a trade-off. Quality of Life vs. a bigger paycheck. Seniority vs. bottom man on the totem pole. First choice of days off, summer vacations, holidays vs. never, ever having anything other than a Tues-Wed-Thurs off for years. Widebody bunkey vs. narrowbody flunkey.

    Mid/late 40's is probably a little late in the game to have the expectation of a decent career at the majors if you haven't turned a wheel yet. But, you could probably do well if you aimed at the Regionals.

    But, read the brochure CLOSELY-- the lifestyle really isn't what it appears to be a lot of the time.

    Just my 0.02.
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  11. PA Slammer

    PA Slammer I hate titles...

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    28 yrs Air Force, KC-135, retired.

    The last 4 yrs I've been flying the 737 and now an Instructor on it, working in Denver, living in Loveland.

    It's fun and challenging, couldn't see doing anything else.
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  12. MountainsandRivers

    MountainsandRivers loves dirty things!

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    One of my regrets was not following through with getting my pilot's license in college and working toward commercial. I almost went to Rocky Mtn College in Billings because they had a flight school, but at that time, I didn't see myself really liking a small Christian orientated school. I do property management in a resort now, and we frequently meet our clients at their planes. We have gotten to know some of the pilots over the years, go out for drinks with them when they are here for long periods. They do admit the hours can be rough and difficult on their family, but they get to ski in fun places and hang out on beaches. One of our clients added a Falcon 7x to their fleet last year, and I know that their pilot really enjoys flying that bird and the places they can reach with it.
    I may still pursue at least getting my private license in the next few years. I enjoy anytime I can get stick time, which has mostly been flying a Cessna to Texas, or flying Dehavilland Otter and Beaver float planes when we go fishing in Canada.
    Good luck on your pursuit!
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  13. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    Life style, perceived job security, own some of your own time, money and benefits. It's not that simple, but you get the idea.
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    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    Very well said !:thumb
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  15. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    I was one of the original members of Aspen flying club. 1978 or something like that. Instructed, did a lot of the maintenance etc.
    One of my Crash pad mates was an Emirates A380 check pilot. He quit to become a new hire at United. Emirates was that good.:hmmmmm
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  16. Bad Wolf

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    Been wondering why Emirates has such a problem woth retention for the pay and benefits they are offering. Chance was also noticing Midwives are in demand for big bucks over there was well. Is that area just that difficult to live in or what?
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    Bad Wolf High functioning sociopath

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    Half way through my senior year in high school they announced an aeronotics program for the following year. I was never so tempted to flunk out. Might look to see if they still do it...maybe I can go back and declare I cheated senior year and didn't deserve to graduate, I have to redo it to earn my diploma?
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  18. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    It's difficult to live there, long term. It wears on you. Pretty good living for a while, then you find you need to get out, as time goes on, you need to get out more and more. Also, they believe in ownership of their employees. You are treated very well, but constant undertones. They take your U.S. passport and keep it for you, then issue you a new one from them. If you want to take your wife with you, anywhere, you need their permission. The trips are very unproductive, so lots of sit time, away from home. When I looked at it (many years ago) the contract was lucrative, but get fired one day before the end of the contract, and you loose all you worked to build up for retirement. Very different work culture and hierarchy. Some will adapt to it and like it. I think I could have, wife couldn't, so we didn't. Trust is big part of your working world, and they define that very different. But live it right, and it could be very nice.
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  19. AviatorTroy

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    I have many friends who do or have worked at netjets. More or less the pay is outstanding, the benefits are the best in the industry, and no one can do it very long because you are on a 7 on 7 off schedule and when you are on, you are doing a 14 hour duty day 7 days in a row and flying 5 or 6 legs a day. Also yep there’s no time on your RON to have the airplane cleaned so the pilots have to do it unless you are in a large cabin airplane and have a flight attendant to help you out.

    Some random thoughts from this bum who’s been a corporate pilot for about 20 years...

    The airlines make some big promises and the pay is still better than all but the best 1% of corporate flying jobs, but... for every person I know that makes 300k and flies one week a month, I know 2 or 3 that got burned out and took some kind of buy out mid career and are now happily doing something else.

    The quality of life in corporate aviation is all over the place. The standard model is for a company to own an airplane and have it operated by a management company that hires the pilots, provides training and maintenance, and puts charter trips on the airplane when the owner isn’t using it. Some accounts want very little charter, some want a ton. Some management companies are great, some are terrible (but the pilot shortage is weeding them out in a hurry since no one will work for them anymore). And even at the same company your pay and schedule can vary drastically depending on how the owner of the airplane has the management contract set up.

    On the other side of the spectrum from a fractional provider like netjets is a traditional corporate flight department which does no charter and usually is considered the best kind of job, although they all have their advantages and disadvantages.
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  20. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf High functioning sociopath

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    Good reply, thanks.
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