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Discussion in 'Asia' started by Wild_Man, Mar 28, 2008.
ooopppss!...misadventure in Quirino, Ilocos Sur. ...trail riding honed my bailing-out skills
throwback 2004. i did it! jumping my invisible mcross bike! a 2.5 meters wide brook at Ka Vergel's, San Mateo.
May 2016. 3 of us, we googled map our way guided by GPS on 3 rented CRF250Ls.
Angeles City to San Fernando was not a good ride, traffic was horrible. Baguio was MetroManila busy with diesel fumes and trikes everywhere in a cooler environment. Hotels here offer the worst value in South East Asia, food was just so-so and relatively expensive compared to rest of South East Asia.
People are nice. Roads in the highlands are great; the scenery that is, not the surface. 400cc single or maybe the Sertao is about the maximum sized bike recommended, anything else is just lardy and extra power redundant. Vigan a must go Heritage Town, the windmills were great, Santa Ana superb, Palaui Island not to be missed.
Great Adv destination, the outskirts are just amazing, the Rice Terraces nice, matching the ones in Yunnan China and Vietnam.
Hardly any foreigners/tourists out of Angeles City. Only when we got to Banaue and Baguio.
We'll return to do the Southern bit of Luzon soon.
hi nikhuzlan...good rides, I see you had good weather.
could you refer me to the rental place and the cost.(in pesos)
I recognize the parking lot in his video. Website link here will full rental lineup and prices. Their bikes are late model, good condition and well maintained.
If you need a place to stay for a night while collecting your bike The Red Planet is very close and has decent rates. If you're even lower budget like me check out Daniela's Place Apartelle. Comfortable, cheap ~750 pesos (USD $17) a night, free beer upon check-in and only 5 minute walk to Nice Bike. You can book them on Expedia also.
Transport to Pampanga: from Manila go to Victory Liner terminal on EDSA in Pasay. Buses run 24/7, take bus to Dagupan but get off at Dao. Ticket is only 160 pesos and takes between 2-1/2 to 3-1/2 hours based on time of day/traffic. Biggest ripoff is getting from Dao terminal to your hotel. Expect to pay tricycle 150 pesos, any less consider yourself lucky. No taxis in AC and IMO best to stay away from private vans/vehicles.
Thanks SBullet...I'll check it out.
Glad you enjoyed the ride. Southern Luzon should be more interesting for you. Ride safe.
, I really enjoyed this ride so I thought I would post it again
Adventure Riding tips from a ride I use to lead out in the San Francisco Bay Area:http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397122
*(Sorry the Video links didn't transfer over to ADVrider but you can still navigate to the original posts URLs)
Never ride alone!
and be prepared if you get a flat tire, run out of gas, or have ABS...
Ride Details on Original Post
We've had two flat occur in the history of this ride. palada's BMW F800GS on pavement returning home:
Tubeless tyre and no plug kit. Bonerov tried a can of Fix-a-Flat, since we only had patch kits for tyre tubes. Unfortunately the puncture was too big; Easy fix if we had a plug kit for tubeless tyres.
The second flat was on a sumo: they had issues trying to seat the bead after the repair: bring 3+ CO2 cartridges.
On the July ride: Hugh (KLR) had electrical gremlins with the kickstand and neutral switches. Jim (KLR) and Tim (V-Strom) pushed Hugh's KLR to the Knoxville OHV entrance, locked the bike up, for pick up later. 2-up to Lower Lake on the V-Strom. Lesson Learned: a tow strap!
Best vid (safest method) of using a tow strap. Lead rider: strap held down on right foot peg so your shifter is free. Towed rider (stays on right rear of lead rider): strap held down on left footpeg, shift to neutral, and right foot free to control rear brake. Towed rider controls strap tension with brakes.
Lesson learned: Spend the $4 at the local Auto store for a Slime Tubless tyre plug kit; or if running tubes: a patch kit. Some of the guys bring $10 12V compressors (Slime Tire Top Off) Note: BMWs need an adaptor for the auxilliary powerlet. Any manual bicycle pump with a standard Schrader valve fitting will work; or a few CO2 cartridges.
Breaking the Bead (for Uberbeasts with tubeless tyres):
Other notes: Many of the riders 'air down' when they get to the dirt sections. ~15psi for DS (<300 lbs.); ~24 psi for ADV (>400 lbs.). Make sure you have rim locks if you run low tyre pressures. If you are running tubeless and you pop your tyre bead... you may be out of luck... stuff it with leaves and ride her out; or steal a 21" tube from the other riders.
Food?: Don't be surprised if many of the other riders don't stop for lunch...Plan to brown bag lunch or at the MotoMart in Carnegie .
Water?: Hydrate or Die!
Fuel Range?: Have a full fuel tank. 78 miles from Meetup point to next fuel stop at Cache Creek Casino or Lower Lake. Lesson Learned: Refuel at every opportunity. Have a tow strap and always ride with a buddy!
Rabid Furry Creatures:
ABS?: Know how to turn off your ABS (BMW, KTM)... or pull your ABS fuse (V-Stroms).
Supere Tenere: According to Yamaha: Set on centerstand, start engine, shift to 2nd gear, apply front brake... overides ABS.
ABS resets to default when you shut off ignition. Don't forget to turn off ABS every time you restart.
Thomas - It was a pleasure riding with you. Your comment brings up a controversial but very important topic: ABS off-road
The recommendation to disable/turn-off your ABS system (and Traction Control) while riding off-road downhill is subject to debate. I'll defer the Pros vs. Cons to those that have experience on the subject.
BMW Article recommending ABS on: http://rider.bmwmotorrad.com.au/article.php?id=88
Here are two ADVrider topic threads: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451357 with comments on the BMW Off-Road School and RawHyde (quoted to recommend turning ABS off). http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580662
Doc Wong's clinics recommend turning ABS off.
Here's the infamous video often shown to support the argument: Why you should turn off ABS in 'limited traction downhill' conditions:
If you decide to turn-off your ABS, remember that every time you turn off the ignition, the default setting would enable the ABS system on start up.
And the procedure for BMW R1200GS?
Switch off ABS
Stop the motorbike.
Switch ignition off.
Press ABS-button for at least 3 seconds, and then start the engine.
Wait until the end of the self diagnostic test.
Result: ABS switched off, servos are in function, red ABS warnning light is on.
Switch on ABS
Stop the motorbike.
Switch ignition off.
Wait until the end of the self diagnostic test.
Result: ABS switched on, servos are in function.
Notes for Suzuki V-Strom
Notes for Triumph Tiger
Notes for KTM 950/990
Notes for Yamaha Super Tenere
Notes for Ducati Multistrada
This is an INFORMAL RIDE. There is no assigned lead or sweep.
Weather: weather.com forecast
And if you need to brush up on your offroad skills:
We suspect street riders do not have the opportunity for exposure from this perspective so we've moved this from the ADVenture Riding Club House.
Motorcyclists limited to the street experience cannot appreciate how physically, mentally, and technically demanding dirt riding is. Good dirt riders can easily transfer their skills to the asphalt, the reverse is unlikely. Dirt riders that take up trials will dramatically improve their off road skills.
Here's my current 3x/week workout: I spend only 1-hour on two separate days during the week doing the following 6 drills (10-minutes each) , then ride an OHV area for a few morning hours on the weekend. That's a total of only 2-hours riding during the week and maybe 3-4 hrs. on a weekend.
All of these drills can be done in a very small space/area in 1st and 2nd gear similar to a MSF course. Except for the ADV bike acceleration/deceleration drill or the feet-up brake slide; the drills can be done within a 2-car garage space or an area the size of the CA DMV motorcycle test.
You'll be exhausted with this routine... just ask anyone who's attended Doc Wong's Clear Creek ride; but the payoff in riding skill is tremendous on the monthly ADV/DS trail ride.
BTW - Trials requires finesse and is very humbling. My balance and riding skill suck and I'm trying to unlearn the bad habits I've picked up over the past 4-decades of riding.
Drill #1: Practice balance standing on your pegs (a la track stand) for as long as you can. (Note: I use a heart rate monitor and keep my heart rate at the aerobic range). A proper trials stance and technique will give your quads, back, chest, and arms the anaerobic workout. Don't do this sitting. Standing lowers your center of gravity to your footpeg level.
Do this drill on a slight incline. Balancing with the engine running is easier, but this drill can be done with the engine off. Apply both brakes, and turn handlebars to full lock on one side. Keep knees apart and turn the handlebars and shifting your weight on the pegs to make corrections.
Drill #2: Practice tight slow turns/figure 8's working towards full steering lock and exercising the friction zone (steady throttle, clutch modulation and rear brake to control speed); jab the inside footpeg to initiate the turn; lean the bike into the turn as far as you can and counterbalance: foot weighting edge of the outside peg, legs bent and bowed (make like a monkey), inside arm straight, outside arm bent/elbow high, head up looking through the turn. Practice mid-turn stops and balancing while leaned over.
This feet up technique suits ADV bikes much better than the 'stick your leg out', brake slide, point and roost technique used on knobby shod MX bikes. The technique also suits dirt bikes shod with Trials rear tires.
Drill #3: Wheelies without power! Loft your front wheel by deweighting using your thighs, back and front suspension; NOT 'gas' power or clutching; then transition to pivot turns (a wheelie type maneuver) with either a foot dab as a pivot point or a 'floating turn' to develop clutch and throttle control, and precision front wheel placement. Slip the clutch don't 'pop' it. Practice shifting weight forward and back.
The proper technique done standing is BEND FORWARD-LEAN BACK-BLIP: shift weight forward by bending knees (not at the waist) to load the front forks; as forks rebound shift weight back by leaning back and straightening legs (do not pull up by bending arms - which shifts you body forward and uses energy); as wheel comes up - very slight throttle to place the front wheel.
Fine tune: Keep your head up, when you look down or 'round' your back you shift weight forward. When you arch your back and look up you shift weight back. When you bend at the waist to load the front you shift too much weight forward, so bend your knees.
Mild uphill inclines makes this technique a bit easier.
Here's one practical off-road application when you can't ride perpendicular to a log obstacle:
Drill #4: Practice stoppies/endo/nose wheelies by lifting the rear wheel by deweighting using your thighs, chest/arms, and rear suspension; and NOT by forward momentum/speed + hard front brake; and hopping your rear wheel to the side to develop brake and clutch control.
The proper technique is BACK-JAB-PUSH-CLUTCH: shift weight back briefly to load the rear suspension; 'jab' both feet down on footpegs to unweight; push forward on handlebars; squeeze (modulate) hand brake to control height as rear comes up and clutch in to keep from stalling.
Work up to popping the clutch when lifting the rear for more height, and apply rear brake hard when the tire comes down. Mild downhill inclines makes this technique a bit easier.
Here's the practical off-road application:
For ADV uberbeasts: Substitute Drill #3 and #4 with acceleration/deceleration drills developing forward/backward weight shifts. Work up to locking the front or the rear tire.
Drill #5: If you have access to ride on slick surfaces, grass, or gravel like a small dirt lot, do feet-up (balance and shifting body weight) brake slide figure 8's to develop rear brake and clutch control. Keep your weight far forward over the bars.
Drill #6: Practice figure 8 camber turns on the side of a small steep hill/incline. Try to descend downhill as slow as possible using both brakes, use maximum lean in turns; and pivot turns or floating turns on the uphill. Work on clutch/throttle to NOT spin the rear wheel. Leaning the bike, rather than turning the bars reduces the risk of 'ploughing' the front end.
If you have an obstacle: rock, log, ditch, concrete pipe, dirt bank, solid block bench, it'll give you variety and a target for practicing front wheel lofts for precision to properly bounce the front tire off the top of the obstacle (Jap Zap), de-weighting, and double blip techniques.
Weekends: My 3rd day workout is when I'm at Carnegie, Metcalf , Hollister, or Prairie City with my kids. I work on de-weighting techniques with a double-blip and Jap Zap over obstacles (logs, pipes, rocks) in the Trials area;
or take advantage of the steep hills, rock gardens, whoops (to tune suspension), sand washes, and just play ride laps on the MX track. An important basic skill you can practice on the ATV or Vet MX tracks is using your suspension by practicing the Seat Bounce. Here's the practical off-road application:
A more advanced drill is making/riding circle ruts in 2nd or 3rd gear: see if you can drag your bar ends.
Weighting on Rock Gardens and Hill Climbs:
Do you need a basic or refresher course on riding dirt bikes? Attend a MSF Dirt Bike School or Doc Wong clinic.
10-time Paris-Dakar Rally (6-times on a motorcycle) and 2-time World Enduro Champion Stéphane Peterhansel provides this excellent training video:
Riding dirt requires endurance, balance, flexibility and strength.
Here are a few videos that I've found useful and you don't need a gym:
Strength: Pilates and Pylometrics courtesy of 5-time Dakar Champion Cyril Despres:
Core, Endurance, and Flexibility:
Balance: Use a balance ball (while on-line or watching the TV):
Endurance: Johnny O'Mara recommends Mountain Biking interval training
If you aren't familiar with the 'O-Show'; Johnny O'Mara road a 125cc to a 2nd place finish against the 500cc bikes in the 1986 Motocross des Nations in Magiorra, Italy; passing even the then 500cc World Champion David Thorpe (UK). David Bailey (USA) came in 1st on a 500cc.
Of course the best training is simply seat time: I focus mostly on Trials balance drills, slow riding, tight turns, and precision drills; and laps on a lightweight dirt bike on a Vet MX track: no need for doubles/triples, etc. just ride 2-lap intervals to 20-min motos.
Just sharing my adv dav to caticlan good day God speed ride safe and God bless always
Family and I will be in Manila in early July, I'd like to get some riding in. I'd greatly appreciate any info on bike rentals and riding areas.
Thanks in advance.
hey kuya pat.
kuya pat. another option. buy a new crf250, ride it and sell it to me later.
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Up for sale in the P.I. Dumaguete City all registered except for the CRF250X being a dirt bike... PM me here or email at BLSBRKR65@MSN.COM
Have you guys heard anything about Honda selling the Africa Twin in PH ?
Hey guys, I might be in Manila, Cebu and Bacolod City in October / November timeframe. I'm expecting if it happens that most of my time will be spent in Cebu and Bacolod areas. Is there any decent single track riding? Any info on rentals for dirt worthy bikes?
Also, I really like to mountain bike (bicycle), is there any good mountain biking around? I don't think I'd try bicycling on the street as I'm guessing that would be pretty dangerous?
Also, I'm thinking of renting a cottage or similar in the town I'm in and then just day tripping to explore, instead of hotels. Anyone local got something nice and cheap with million dollar views they would like to rent?
I've never been to PI as a tourist so any info at all is helpful and appreciated - thanks!
Here's a recent trip to loop Mayon Volcano. Rain or shine, Day or Night, it's always a lovely day to be riding.
nice bikes ... nice rides..