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Polish Indians?

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by TheProphet, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. TheProphet

    TheProphet Retired; Living the Dream

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    Uh oh, another US manufacturer seeking alternatives to the Tariff Wars.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/twincit...torcycles-may-follow-harley-davidson-out.html

    http://kiwaradio.com/local-news/production-of-some-indian-motorcycles-may-be-headed-offshore/

    http://www.thedrive.com/motorcycles...s-considering-moving-some-production-overseas

    In the end, we'll have two choices - a.) lose USA production of foreign bound motorcycles to outsourced locations, or b.) be willing to pay the additional costs generated as a result of how the "Tariff" situation is being handled.
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  2. Davidc83

    Davidc83 Been here awhile

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    Indian is copying HD. This isn't new for HD. HD has had a factory overseas for years. Especially the HD 500 and HD 750 were/are made in India...with plans on building other models there before the Tariff.
    The manufacturers are using the Tariff as reasoning but HD had a plant running overseas before the tariffs and Indian last year reported to be in consideration of building plants overseas (copying HD).
    US bike builders are not the only ones building in low cost countries: BMW, RE, KTM have built plants in China and/or India...
    "in 2014, Harley-Davidson began manufacturing the Street 750 and 500 motorcycles in India - at Bawal, Haryana India,"
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  3. TheProphet

    TheProphet Retired; Living the Dream

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    So you are implying that if HD didn't decide to sidestep foreign tariffs by assembling overseas, then Indian would NOT have?

    What does HD have to do with Indian's decision making?
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    I didn't read that into his comments at all. He was just saying that HD does it, as do others. :dunno No need to get your black and orange panties in a bunch! :deal
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    TheProphet Retired; Living the Dream

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    Sounds like some folks need to work on the old readin' comprehension stuff.

    Too quick to post asshole remarks, can't bother to read the post. Jerk.

    If you don't have something to add to the Thread subject, kiss off. Thanks.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    We'll likely see more of this if these Tariff squabbles escalate. It doesn't really effect us here in the USA, as the bikes assembled overseas are strictly for the overseas market. Unfortunately, the retaliatory tariffs DO effect Jobs here in the USA. Most of the overseas work is in assembly - a means to side-step the tariff, so some of the components wil still be made here, but it depends.

    Let's hope the Tariff squabbles come to a reasonable end, and it becomes a win/win for all parties involved.
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  6. Davidc83

    Davidc83 Been here awhile

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    No, what I was saying was that the tariffs had nothing to do with the builders moving bikes manufacturing overseas-media over blowing anything anti-trump and not reporting ALL the facts (if any).
    Indian announced last year (in 2017), they were going to build bikes in India.
    https://motorbikewriter.com/indian-motorcycles-assembled-india/
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  7. TheProphet

    TheProphet Retired; Living the Dream

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    Gotcha'. :beer

    Trying to keep this thread out of CSM if we can. The fallout from all this might very well be that we will be paying more for bikes in the near future, until things settle down. The industry as a whole is suffering from a reduction in ridership, and this new hurdle won't help. Fact is, Consumers always seem to pay for these struggles, as certainly the manufacturers aren't going to reduce their margins to cover additional costs, so someone has to pay, and that'll be us.

    Indians are great bikes, so I hope things don't get worse instead of better, and they end up in the same situation as Victory.

    What to do? (Again without getting the Thread sent to CSM), get involved. Vote.
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  8. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Don't be a dick, :asshat

    I read perfectly well, but without the pirate mentality you have. He was just saying they were doing the same as HD not copying them as in they couldn't think for themselves. FFS take yourself a LOT less seriously, and others without the shithead mentality!
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  9. JimVonBaden

    JimVonBaden "Cool" Aid!

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    Like I said, @TheProphet You have to lash out like an asshole instead of trying to understanding the real meaning! Lighten up FFS not everyone hates cruisers and HD! :rolleyes
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    Super Sneaky Steve B@nned Club :D

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    Still recovering from the HD tariff thread.
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  11. shupe

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    Uhhh, tariffs are not new in India. Why do you think Royal Enfield went unchanged for decades over there?
    Huge barriers to the Indian market.
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    Hahaha. Are you serious? Dude's first sentence was "Indian is copying HD." He then repeats it in the next paragraph. What is there to "read into"?
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  13. JimVonBaden

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    Read the whole thing. Copy as in doing the same. There is more to a sentence that just the first couple of words. Did you read his subsequent response?
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  14. fldfcnscsnss

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    No. To copy when used as a verb means to reproduce or to mimick. That is much different than two entities "doing the same"....note the verb "doing" which is vague enough to imply anything including coincidence. When someone references a person or entity copying another. THAT is what they mean the other 99.999999% of the time - pretty much any time other than this instance. If the author meant something different, then his word choice was really really really bad, or maybe English is not his native language.
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  16. TheProphet

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    Someone needs a mirror to look at. :-)

    We all have bad days, fortunately ADVRider allows folks to lash out at others (or is it the world?) , and get their aggressions out. Some pretty nasty stuff there, interesting if not bizarre. No harm no foul though.

    Ignore it, and carry on with the conversation.

    The EU is increasing their tariff on USA Imported motorcycles from 6% to 31%, so it's around a USD$2200 increase per bike. Someone will have to pay, so that's why they are assembling in the area, to bypass that tariff. Same goes for assembly in India and other Asian countries. Looks like it's the way of at least the near future. Survival.
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    Here you go!
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  19. Kevm

    Kevm Eternal Optimist

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    Uh guys.

    1. Polaris already has the plant in Poland. They just hadn't built Indians there yet.

    2. Harley has had Brazil and Indian plants for some time, specifically to get around tarrifs in those countries. They are "final assembly" plants for most of the line and total production plants for the Street line models sold in overseas markets.

    3. Thai plant was already in the works to serve Asian market. But I don't think anyone here can say what exactly they were planning on building there and when they decided it.
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  20. OConnor

    OConnor Bad juju

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    "Some also have assembly plants in the country to avoid the crippling 105% import duties on completed bikes."

    105% import duty, why no WTO complaints?
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