Project Hand Banana

Discussion in 'Some Assembly Required' started by madrider5150, Nov 7, 2016.

  1. johnwesley

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    Dang the bad luck.

    What your hearing is the slack in the push rod to rocker arm. Long term it could cause damage like, any adjustable valve train that adjusted too loose. Short term should be fine and a chance with fresh oil, that it may pump up. These lifters are funny at time. There’s a chance it will pump up and never give issues again. Some lifters make it over 100,000 miles while others less than 20,000. Some people consider them wear items and change every 25,000 miles. I do not.
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    I’m not recommending this, but some people use sbc lifters. They are cheap. Research it and find out which ones should work. There are even you tube vids on it as well.
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    madrider5150 Riding somewhere

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    I gave it a ride around for a bit, no change. Got some mmo, you recommend 20%? Drain like 16 oz oil and dump in bottle? I've got about 31,700 miles and give the mmo 300-500 miles . If they don't pump up I suppose replace all 4 lifters? I'm thinking fueling or some from hammer? Trying to replace things so they won't need replacing again anytime soon.
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    I’d stay away fueling, and just go with what Aaron says. He use to use gaterman. With that many miles, if I could afford it, I’d just change all four. I know cause that’s exactly what I did :D with my 2000
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    Looks like Hammer now uses S&S lifters pretty much exclusively. Hard to go wrong with S&S. I drained 6 oz oil and added 6 oz marvels and took a good ride, no change and really dont like riding it with that much clatter, just feels bad. Will likely soon be ordering another gasket set and 4 new lifters from Hammer.
    I have a theory about the lifter collapsing- the shop that installed my 1250 kit left my bike with a leak from the pushrod tube base rear cylinder. He sealed it up with some kind of RTV silicone or sealant rather than fix it properly. It could be possible the rear cylinder heated up enough to allow some of that to slough off and collapse the lifter? If that is the case it will probably not fix itself through any means.
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  6. johnwesley

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    It’s probable that some of that rtv got to the lifter. That would stop the flow and rattle.
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  7. madrider5150

    madrider5150 Riding somewhere

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    Well I got it down to the rockerboxes, all looks okay so far I think.. although I don't like the look of that oil on the manifold
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    The rear cylinder is a pain in the ass under the backbone, not looking forward to putting that back together
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  9. madrider5150

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    Removed my oil pump for disassembly, cleaning, possible replacement with 07+ that has more scavenging area. The gear looks good, will see what the inside looks like. Might be damaged considering the previous broken piston.
    What a beast to get at too, like a jigsaw wriggling it out of there, again not looking forward to putting it back together lol

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    madrider5150 Riding somewhere

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    I really wish I had cleaned the bike better too. There is so much dirt and sand coming off all over kinda concerns me stuff getting contaminated
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  11. Wildebeest90210

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    I had an air leak on my rear cylinder inlet due to poor assy but made rear pot run waaay hot. Spotted the exhaust glowing still on the bench luckily. If you had a small leak it would still run hot, if you have oil/fuel showing that means air is going in????
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    I'm optimistic it was only grime on the manifold as it was running perfectly for a few thousand miles before the valve clatter started without symptoms of an air leak. Wasn't running hot or anything but I will keep a closer eye on it going back together
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    Oil pump looks good, just ordered new gasket and o ring
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    If you have the pump out already, I'd replace it with the upgraded version, and swap out the pump drive gear with the bronze Buell part.

    http://hammerperf.com/xlvalvetrain.shtml#bronzegear

    Also, if you do any work that involves removing/installing the pinion nut, buy the locking tool shown below the bronze driver gear, it is money well spent. Also, when you install the pinion nut, torque it to 70 lb-ft, not the factory 35-40. Here's a good tech article as to why.

    http://hammerperf.com/ttxlcaminstall.shtml#pinionnut
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    Well the pump drive gear is if you're going into the cam chest which I'm not planning to right now.. I decided to go with hammer impact head work sticking with W cams for now. If I was replacing cams I would do that but don't want to get in there now
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  16. AK650

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    Gotcha. I thought that you had cracked open the cam chest.
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    I've started tearing things down, looks okay so far down to heads. Haven't removed the lifters yet to inspect. Rear cylinder head is not wanting to come off.. sprayed some pb blaster in there and will tap with the rubber mallet again
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    Is it beneficial to clean carbon off the pistons? Scotch brite pad or something? I thought I have heard or read about it... I don't want to do another tear down for at least 20k if possible so looking to do everything the best way possible here.
    Thanks
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    You could do that but if they are still in the jugs make sure it’s completely clean with nothing on the rings. I probably wouldn’t fool with it unless pulling the pistons.
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    Front cylinder head
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    Rear cylinder head
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    What's that mark? Is that normal??