Radar Detectors?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by ogklx400, Feb 12, 2018.

  1. randyo

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    I have a plan to supplement my V-1 with a flux capacitor
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  2. drrod1

    drrod1 Been here awhile

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    I have a V-1 but rarely use it anymore. In years past, it was very useful but now with all the extraneous signals that it picks up (eg. lane departure systems, small town speed signs, etc), it is not. Also, the instant on radar units that are being used by LEO's now, if used properly, will rarely trigger the detector in enough time for you to slow down. Yes, there will be people who say their detector works through mountains, and miles in advance, etc but, in reality, a properly operated, instant on radar unit, will get you if you are the target. If it is targeting someone else, it can be useful.

    As for using it as a tool in a court case.......if it comes down to your word against the LEO......good luck with that. Again, there will be those who claim to have used it to beat the charge in court, but I wager it is the exception.

    The most "dangerous" place to exceed the speed limit is in small towns. Many are using it as a source of revenue and you are dealing with the "local" justice system. Ever wonder how a town of 1,000 people can afford their own "peace officer"?

    YMMV
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  3. radmann10

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    Instant on Radar is problematic but, pay attention, your V1 may have just gone off because LEO around the blind corner just targeted the car in front of you. Take your foot off the gas, never blow through small towns or for that matter keep it slow 5-10 miles either side of the small towns with the revenue generators waiting for you. You have a radar detector so you know when it goes off to look around locate the officer and look at the pack of vehicles you are traveling driving with, if you don't have largest frontal area for the radar to bounce off of that can easily save your A-- with LEO on the side of the road or with the judge later. I have had that "pack of cars" discussion with LEO and been let go because he knew someone in the group was doing 85 but had no idea who it was. As for visiting the judge to fight it, schedule a court appearance and 9 out of 10 cases LEO doesn't show.
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    drrod1 Been here awhile

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    If you reread my post you will notice that I referenced what you said regarding radar being used on someone in front but if you are the target......well.
    As for scheduling appearance in court.......that is only viable if it is within reasonable distance from where you live.

    Travelling in a pack provides some protection, but with modern guns being able to track multiple targets, it is becoming more risky.

    https://www.vortexradar.com/2017/11/police-radar/

    My post was predicated on modern radar, being used properly, and all the sources of "false" signals, greatly reducing the effectiveness of a radar detector (ever notice how some GM taillights trigger the laser detector?). It may still be useful for some, but for me, it has decreased to the point of me not bothering with it anymore.

    Again, YMMV.

    On a bit of another, but related note, I have also witnessed a situation where a radar detector prompted a citation, rather than a warning, when noticed by the LEO (LEO's words BTW).
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  5. fast4d

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    V1 for life! the arrows are awesome but patent is expired so escort has them now?

    I have V1 on my bikes and cars. I only have Ka and laser enabled. laser is usually false unless cop is shooting the place up. it's just a TOOL. I must watch the on ramps and shaded places where CHP likes to sit and point laser. keep the delta down as you pass ramps, etc.

    I don't speed much on unfamiliar surface roads (<12 mph over) there are too many places to hide.

    highways I go 80-90. even faster out in the middle of nowhere.

    back roads here in so cal is usually in mountain/hill/canyon terrain. gotta watch them around the bends as the earth can shield the radar till last second. they usually hide at the end of a short straight though as most people don't speed much in the twisty sections.
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  6. foxtrapper

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    Care to elaborate? I'm a c person, I got tired of all the false alarms.
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  7. Snowbird

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    That ain't tiddlywinks.
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  8. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    Sorry, but there is not a single factual statement in this post.

    Also, get off my lawn.
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  9. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    Of course. All that is needed is for the theoretical cost of the added liability to be lower than the theoretical cost of going slower. This, plus fuel efficiency and truck maint. are factored in equally as well.

    If you think these decisions are made with anything other than a spreadsheet and a calculator, you're kidding yourself.
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  10. Strong Bad

    Strong Bad Former World's Foremost Authority

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    Actuaries crunching numbers is one thing, but there ain't a group more adverse to liability than corporate lawyers, who override actuaries all the time.
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  11. dietDrThunder

    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    You're referring to modern radar, and outdated radar detectors. Modern high-end detectors do an excellent job rejecting these false signals. BTW it's not the GM tail lights, it's the side collision alert sensors.

    Also, as I mentioned earlier, speeding without getting tickets is a skill, and requires the use of tools to be done effectively. A radar detector is just one of those tools. To wit, if you're riding at night, and there is no other traffic, and you can't see ahead of you because of terrain, slow down. Not riding fast all the time is also a tool. If you (in general) get a ticket in that situation because you assumed that the detector would save you, you're a tool :)

    Seriously though, the point is that using a radar detector is clearly not for everyone, and that is of course completely fine. But to say (as others have) that they aren't useful or don't work is simply not the truth. What is truth is that a detector is of very limited usefulness if it is not used properly...like any other tool.
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    dietDrThunder Why so serious, son?

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    This can't be true. Didn't you see Fight Club? :)
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  13. Snowbird

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    I'm sorry there are no facts in your post, but I'm puzzled why you mention that. Seems like a bit of work for nothing.
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  14. Jarlaxle

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    Probably not...but I know many owner-operators would happily run 90+MPH if they could!
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  15. ArmyStrong

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    I've been saved numerous times, I do a 340 mile commute from IN to AL and back each weekend. Average ~85mph. I wouldn't go without my detector. Even when I'm not speeding it still has a database of red-light cams and speeding cams. So I get warned about them as well. As far as false alerts, I receive very few. My detector filters out the collision avoidance systems on cars, on the 18 wheelers not so much but you get used to that type of warning and ignore it. Modern day detectors perform exceptionally well. I get alerts as far as 2miles out on Ka shots. On backroads it works great too..you know the type of roads with 45mph speed limits yet its wide open. A good detector will catch the cop around corners up ahead with off axis detection capability. You can learn a lot at rdforum.org I don't always speed but I do like to know when something is out there trying to catch me speeding. My weapon of choice currently is the Radenso Pro SE Moto edition. There are some other measures to take as well. WAZE (I'm sure it was mentioned but didn't read the whole thread) is a great navigation app with crowd sourced info on road hazards to include cops, it also reroutes you in the event of ta traffic jam. Always stay right..common sense but I have learned to not be bothered by the folks that park in the left lane cause that's the lane of choice for cops to monitor. Get a rabbit - stay about an 8th of a mile behind another speeder.
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  16. Strong Bad

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    I use your "get a rabbit approach". However, I was once pulled over along with 6 other drivers on Interstate 5 after we had all been clocked by a CHP air plane. The car working with the airplane was standing on the shoulder and stepped out towards the lane pointing for each of us to pull over. But yeah, watching the brake lights of your rabbit goes a long way.
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  17. khpossum

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    I just upgraded from my old Escort 8500 to the newer Escort iX. I was hoping it would do away with many of the false alarms I was getting with the old unit. It also has the Live application that downloads known radar locations.

    And here is comes the problem. I read the privacy policy here and it states:

    We use Personal Information collected from you to manage your user account. In addition, we may share the information we collect on the web site with third parties, who may use the information for their own marketing purposes.

    What is wrong with these people. I guess most people don't read these policies. Most of the time they are too wrong and onerous to even understand, but Escort makes it easy and pretty short.

    I think I will just return it. I hate to see all my personal (they collect my phone number, address and email information) and travel information sold to whoever has the money.
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  18. khpossum

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    I emailed Escort about their privacy policy and at first they denied they would ever sell my information. Pushing them and quoting their privacy policy they finally acknowledged saying it is out in the open and everybody can read it. Take or leave it. Of course most people don't read it. So what to expect next. Not only can they sell all my personal information to the everybody who has money, they can also sell how fast I am going to my insurance company. There is NOTHING that prevents them from doing so. It sure seems some MBA's got their hand on Escort. Very bad way of treating your customers, what a bunch of scumbags.

    As they said, take or leave it. Well, I am leaving it and my new $450 detector is going back to Amazon.
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  19. Advntr

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    Look you can't discuss anything anymore without some nanny troll coming on the thread and trying to discredit the subject.
    Yesterday in the mountains of NY I got a single Ka alert before turning onto the back roads from NY30. As we went up the mountain - up in them-ther-hils [sic] it alerted some more and around a bend or two and some more hills we found the the statey and a local sheriff blocking the road having a conversation. We live in information age and i want to know when they have radar as i have lived enough lies from the keepers of the speed limit over the years and they need to be kept in check. Period. The V1 has detected the truth from them too many times now. I have over a couple million miles of drive time and have seen way to much phuckery. Be smart, not blind.

    V1's are upgrade-able and have been since day one - no one else can lay claim to that - if your V1 is taking a crap on you all the time - get off your wallet and have it updated. The damn thing works and no one said to go out and speed like a fool.
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  20. ogklx400

    ogklx400 Long timer

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    Thanks for all the good info everyone I've been learning a lot definitely know I don't need one for the kind of riding I do.
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